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Clear metaphor of discovering male/female sexuality


- The three phallus-shaped rocks (as the three girls were).
- The hysteria towards Irma when she came back coming from the collegemates (they want to know about it, while Mrs. Appleyard wants to keep them on a street made of false prudishness/closeted lesbian sex).
- Miranda, Irma and Marion going barefoot, as a symbol of nudity, and little Edith, who was definitely too naive and not ready for it, keeping her panties and shoes on.
- "Discovering real life", at the cost of finding death, as opposed to Mrs. Appleyard and her college's mannerism, which were doing anything to keep them from spontaneous potential male encounters.
- Mrs. McCraw having been a closet heterosexual female, while being Mrs. Appleyard "masculine" lover, and wanting to know about sex with males as well, heading for the phallus-shaped rocks in her underwear.
- Birds migrating in flocks, representing the girls collectively discovering "the other pole of sex/life".

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Wait, I'm slightly confused. Are you saying the girls were lesbians discovering sex with a male? Lesbians discovering sex with one another? Or merely virgins discovering their sexuality?

To back what you've said you can also look at the dresses. All girls are dressed in clean white gowns (innocence). When Irma returns she wears red (passion/lust).

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And after the doctor examined Irma, he kept saying that she was "intact." Of course, this can be taken to mean that she didn't have very much bodily harm done to her, but his emphasis and adamant repetition of that particular word makes it take on another meaning.

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Irma also has her hair up and is wearing a more adult hat in the scene when she returns in that gorgeous red cape. She is an adult and they are still children, looking particularly awkward in their bloomers and pe shoes.

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That's actually an odd exchange that reads quite ambiguous to me.

I've pretty much always taken that as more a case of Head Mistress Mrs. Appleyard ("the teacher") attempting to flirt with Mlle. de Poitiers ("the girl", who's actually a teacher), who politely but firmly shuts down Mrs. Appleyard's advances.

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I totally agree. Since years I tried to point out the metaphoric tone of the whole story. The wistful longing atmosphere of the film, the heat, the music, the romantic innocence of the adolescents, the colours white and red, the might of nature etc etc. Thankfully many threads already dealt with it.
Unfortunately many of the posters don't want a metaphoric solution of the enigma and prefer looking for asteroids...
The visions of the wonders of love, sexuality, might vanish, when the young girls get married. Once you know about sexuality the innocence vanishes never to come back again - like the girls vanish. Your theory has (adult) supporters all over the world! Greetings from Germany.

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Oh dear...someone's had too much university in one go.

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Indeed I am a psychiatrist, my patients are grateful that I had so much university, but the language of the film reaches anybody. Don't you find it interesting that the film thrills adolescents, but the reason why it does is so subtle that it stays unconscious?

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I don't know about that, but I'm glad to hear it. I once had an argument with someone who said it was "too boring" to interest a year 11-12 film class :)

It wasn't around on video when I was a teenager, so neither I or anybody else I knew saw it until we were older.

I just get frustrated by the emphasis on sexual metaphors, which are really just a small part of the film. It is as much about dealing with change sexually as it is about dealing with change culturally, socially and artistically, about the clashing of values on many levels.

It's no coincidence Weir studied Heidelberg School paintings before making this film, or that Lindsay chose Hanging Rock/Mount Macedon as the setting. It has spiritual/cultural significance for Aboriginal people (while whites just saw it as a nice picnic spot) and is representative of Australia as it is, juxtaposed against the school as an example of the Australia settlers wanted to create. Vainly trying to impose their European vision on the landscape and instead being swallowed by it.

The Heidelberg School were the first to paint the landscape as it truly appeared and take pride in this new homeland, and see it as something beautiful instead of an ugly place that needed taming. At the same time literary artists like Paterson and Mackellar were focusing their attention in the same way. I don't think it's a coincidence that Lindsay chose this period for the story either.

I'm rabbiting on, please excuse me. I'm just frustrated by someone who says the film is a metaphor for sex, and that's it. I think "is that all you got out of that film?"

I haven't watched all the extras on the DVD, so haven't got to the Lindsay interview yet, but do you think it might be part autobiographical too? There's an interesting account from Lambert about an encounter with Lindsay on the set during a break in filming, where Lindsay seemed to think she really was Miranda.

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Excellent post. I responded to it, in an indirect way, in my response to the OP.

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I know too little about Australia, the "taming of nature", the weird Victorian education and lifestyle of the white population to join in any discussion, but I learned quite a lot and much appreciated it by some dialogues with the poster Belletrist on these aspects.
I admit I was a bit malicious, but I just love the film and it frustrated me that when I checked its board from time to time mostly young posters only focussed on a realistic solution for the vanishing of the girls ("I heard it isn't a true story - waste of time to watch it" and similar). As Imdb is a place, where people from all over the world can discuss films and life in general I am especially frustrated about the "one sentence posts", which are "basta-statements" and don't give a chance for further communication, and if I tried, there was never any reply...
In my society indeed especially adolescents were terrified and fascinated at the same time by the enigmatic film, when it came into cinema. As my country is narrow and tamed concerning nature, has no Aboriginees etc I believe it WAS the sexual metaphors - heading for a peak driven by irresistable forces as metaphor of orgasm - which was the central aspect. Never mind!

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I thought about that after I'd posted - 20/20 hindsight. It's easy to forget that experience and culture shapes our views of things differently. I still hold that the "phallic symbolism" of Hanging Rock is a load of bollocks though ;). I mean, it doesn't even *look* phallic! LOL. It's like someone once said their wearing white in the film symbolises their purity, and I thought no, it's what they would have worn at the time and we shouldn't confuse cultural traditions with film symbolism. Might as well make a meal of them wearing hats and gloves!

I get frustrated by the one sentence dismissal as well, even though (as you know!) I'm guilty of it on occasion. I should have explained myself more first time round :).

I was thinking about what you said about people wanting "realistic solutions", and it reminded me of "Radio Flyer". A friend watched it just recently and was really annoyed by the ambiguousness of it, expecting a very real story given the subject matter. It reminds me of this film in that way, people like their film reality easily and readily defined with no surreal or unexplained bits - yet real life isn't even like that.


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I completely agree. I never really thought of the sexuality metaphor before, and I've seen this film many times, but it was mainly because I was more fascinated with the struggle between the ridiculous Old World British traditions and the completely wild and unruly environment, which to a lesser extent still continues in Australia. It just seems so out of place.

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And yet, Irma later is shown wearing red. Why was she not in white if that is what they wore at the time? The girls could have just as easily had dark uniforms, but they wore white. And even if everyone did wear white, I, personally, wouldn't bat an eye if they were all in light blue. I assume not many know specifically what colors people preferred in 1900?!

I saw it for the first time and immediately thought of sexual overtones. However, the hanging rock looked more like creepy, distorted faces than phalluses/phalli to me.

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- "Discovering real life", at the cost of finding death, as opposed to Mrs. Appleyard and her college's mannerism, which were doing anything to keep them from spontaneous potential male encounters."

So the rock is the big, red-blooded heterosexual man come to rescue the girls from the repressive closet of a school where the utterly asexual, borderline evil principal with not a tactile or sexual bone in her body, is assumed to be running a lesbian racket?

Fair enough, but this was typical fayre ladies education of its time and didn't stop women getting married later in life. You just didn't 'waste time' on boys at that age. And there's really no evidence in the film Mrs Appleyard wanted to keep the girls in a world of lesbian closet sex, as you claim. She was a sexless, bitter crank, neither obviously gay or straight, who appeared to hate everyone and everything, splitting Miranda and Sara up and playing no part in scenes we saw where girls were forming their own intimate friendships, seemingly naturally.

I'd say keep in mind the missing girls were wandering through plenty of caves and gashes in the rocks, and we never even saw if they reached the top or vanished down a hole, so to speak.

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While I don't disagree with the sexual overtones (however to claim to movie is mainly about sexual awakening e.g. the rock is a phallic symbol, is a load of pseudo-scientific crap) inherent in the movie and especially in that callisthenics scene, I'd like to point out that Irma is no longer a student there so is no doubt dressed the way her class demands, and thats why she's no longer wearing white.

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Agree with Melwyn, who posted a reply to this thread about an hour ago. I think that the film plays some interesting tricks with the idea that it's "about" sexual discovery and/or the loss of innocence. The first half of this film certainly invites such a reading, practically demands it, as does Irma's very dramatic red-cloaked reappearance at the school. But after the two boys return from their second trip to the rock (having found Irma), the tone of the film shifts rather dramatically.

The film's first hour it largely concerns the girls themselves and plays out in an a gauzy yet ominous haze. After that point, it concentrates more on the effect that the disappearance has on the community at large -- on the effect that the lack of a satisfactory answer has on the community. The film's cinematic language changes too, becoming less sensually indulgent and more narratively direct. The earlier storyline, the erotically charged, metaphorically suggestive story of the lost girls, itself seems to disappear.

And Melwyn makes a good point about the tendency of reviewers to overemphasize the sexual angle, shortchanging the film's other concerns: the relationship of man to nature (civilized repression to natural chaos), the quasi-magical intersections of fate and coincidence, and the class dynamics that proscribe the lives of the film's characters. Remember also that the film makes very clear that the two girls who return are "intact" when found. It's too easy to describe this simply as a film about the discovery of sexuality. It's about so many other things, too, and no reductive summary seems to adequately encapsulate it. The absence of a corset can certainly suggest sexual indiscretion or violation, but it can also suggest rejection of Victorian propriety in favor of something more ancient, more pagan.

I'm inclined to take the film as a companion piece to the director's The Last Wave, from 1977 -- another understated horror film about the conflict between civilized rationality and atavistic mystery / natural power. On that level, it's a story about a group of young girls who perhaps turn into birds and fly away. And the one sad girl, left behind, who tries to follow them.

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OK, I've just finished it 15 mins ago. And what I got on my mind about all the metaphors are exactly as you said!

This is an astonishing coming of age film with an interesting mystery genre.

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And thanks for the interpretation.

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I feel that many of the points brought up in this thread can be summarized in the sentence said by Mlle. de Poitiers which was repeated many times throughout the film, that Miranda is "Botticelli's angel", while she was pointing to Botticelli's "The Birth of Venus".

There are many interpretations to that painting, and I think this sentence was put there to make a comparison between Miranda and Venus (according to Plato: Venus had two aspects: she was an earthly goddess who aroused humans to physical love or she was a heavenly goddess who inspired intellectual love in them). Plus one is born from nature and the other just vanishes without a trace into it

Plus for some reason, everyone kept asking for Miranda, and never for the others (at least that was the name that popped out from the shouting). Even the people searching at the rock kept shouting her name, and the girls at school were asking for her when Irma came back in red. Like she is the girl that holds everything together...

Anyway, I don't really have a point of view, it just seemed that Poitiers' sentence that was quite exaggerated in the film's soundtrack, hasn't been mentioned in these discussions.

Cheers.

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