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I think more then a lobotomy was performed


If you watch the film "Francis", a biography about the actress Francis Farmer, the doctor in the film explains how a lobotomy is performed. Long sharp rods that resemble knitting needles are inserted above the eye sockets into the brain and are used to severe the frontal lobe from the rest of the brain. The scar on Mac's head would indicate that a much more radical procedure was done. Also, I believe a lobotomy just makes you more docile and does not turn you into the lifeless rag doll as Mac appeared to be at the end.

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Whatever.

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If you don't have the mental capacity to comment on IMDB then why bother.

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There are different kinds of lobotomy. The older procedure was one where the brain was drilled into. The kind you have described is called a Prefrontal Lobotomy. It was less messy and simpler to perform, but very dangerous, as a single slip could kill the patient.

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^^ This

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Also, I believe a lobotomy just makes you more docile and does not turn you into the lifeless rag doll as Mac appeared to be at the end.


There was a lot of variation in outcome for lobotomies, depending on how much the rod was moved around inside the skull and how much hemorrhaging occurred.

In some cases, the person would be basically functional but somewhat off following the surgery. These were the small fraction of "success stories" which basically boiled down to minor rather than severe brain damage. In other cases, the brain damage would be more extreme (usually due to huge hematomas in the frontal cortex), and patients would be left in an almost vegetative state like McMurphy's.

As a case in point, consider John F. Kennedy's sister Rose. She was lobotomized, and required 24 hr. nursing care afterwards for the rest of her life. She was basically left with the mind of an infant. The Kennedy clan tried to keep the story under wraps, of course.

Much the same thing happened to playwright Tennessee Williams' sister.

Long sharp rods that resemble knitting needles are inserted above the eye sockets into the brain and are used to severe the frontal lobe from the rest of the brain. The scar on Mac's head would indicate that a much more radical procedure was done.


I'm not sure whether this is because lobotomies were sometimes performed by craniotomy rather than the postorbital rod, or whether the filmmakers took some artistic license to make it obvious to the audience that McMurphy was brain-damaged following surgery. A black eye wouldn't have made it as obvious, at least not to those unfamiliar with how lobotomies were performed.

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"the filmmakers took some artistic license to make it obvious to the audience that McMurphy was brain-damaged following surgery."

This ^^^

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I think more then a lobotomy was performed


I don't think you know the difference between THEN and THAN.

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I don't think you know what a typo is.

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It's perfectly believable that McMurphy could have ended up in the state he was in after his "operation". More than one lobotomy, be it due to a mistake or intention, was taken too far.

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Not a good representation of a transorbital labotomy. He would've been swollen and have had bruises for weeks.

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I don't think its ever said how long he'd been gone for, it sounded like he'd been gone for a while though.

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I think the OP raises an excellent point.

I did some research on lobotomies, and from what I gathered, a lobotomy resulting in a vegetative state, as in McMurphy's case, was extremely rare.

But the book/movie is even more unrealistic than that, in that the book/movie imply that McMurphy's state was a deliberate punitive measure.

From the research that I did, conducting a lobotomy for the express purpose of producing a vegetative state of mind was *never* ever done.

In this sense, the book/movie is extremely untrue to life.


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Here's food for a thought: what if McMurphy wasn't actually a vegetable but just appeared like that because he was drugged up on a sedatives?

Kinda changes the tone of the ending with the Chief.

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How would that scenario explain the scars though?

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If McMurphy were in a 'vegetative state' (think Sunny von Bulow), we would not have been sent back to the ward, but would have been in a hospital bed.

I think McMurphy was probably still recovering from whatever surgery had been performed (those scars had healed) and he was probably sedated as well. 'The Chief' knew that McMurphy would never be the same man and was therefore, for all intents and purposes, dead.

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