How realistic was this movie
I mean was this how things were in the days of slavery
shareThings were worse than what was portrayed.
The majority of black americans have some white in them and a lot of white americans have black in them (whether they admit it or not). Why?
Remember slaves weren't considered human, so animals got treated better.
I already knew this. But I did research on the internet on slavery. Slaves were considered brute animals, with no human blood. Just as chemiche3 stated. Some white slave owners would feed their slaves pig slops to eat. They were given one pair of shoes. That they had to make last all the four seasons of the year, wearing them everyday. One pair of pants and one shirt. The master sometimes picked who they would mate with and of course we all know about how the slaves were used for breeding. White masters were rapeing black woman and black men! Slaves could not speak freely. They only spoke when they were asked to speak. There were no laws to protect slaves. They had no rights. I read where the master had the right to beat, hang, abuse and even kill the slaves he owned. And nothing would happen to the white slave owner. He had laws to give him the right to do whatever he wanted to the slaves he owned. Some older slaves were in fact killed off. They were considered useless. Certain slave children were given to the master's child as gifts on their birthdays and at Christmas.
When some white masters would get mad. They would just grab one of the male slaves and just beat on them. Just to make them feel better and to make themselves feel strong. The slaves were powerless and could do nothing but bare the pain. Male slaves had it the worst. They were just like punching bags to some of the real mean overseers and masters. Made to beg and beg for the white masters mercy. And I'm leaving out a whole lot more awlful things that happened. These are just afew true facts that happened. If you don't believe me. Google search slavery and you'll find out for yourself.
In drum an overseer gets his testicles ripped off and black audiences cheered at this scene.
shareThat's just crazy propaganda put out by Abolishionist extremists to generate hatred against White Southerners. The fact is that in general, slave-owners treated their slaves very well because slaves were very expensive and it was important to the survival of a plantation that the slaves be kept healthy and realitively happy.
Now, how about the history of the slaves? These slaves were the prisoners of West African tribes who were victorious over other West African tribes. In other words, the American slaves were the losers of West Africa. The victorious Black West Africans sold the defeated Black West Africans to White Slave Traders.
The White Slave Traders brought them to the auctioning blocks in the South where they were bought by wealthy land owners. No, not every Southerner owned a slave. Not by a long shot. That's absurd and a lie concocted by Abolishionists. And when the Civil War came, many Black Slaves joined the Confederate Army. Why? Keep in mind that many Black slaves were happy with life as it was. They didn't love it but in many ways it was better than the life free Blacks lived in the northern states. The southern Blacks had a job for life, a home for life, plenty of food, and they made the most of a less than perfect existence.
The Abolishionists lied to Blacks in the South. They promised Blacks that would fight for the Union Army that they would be given "40 acres and a mule" to till the land as their own. The Union made a great many promises but they failed to keep those promises after the war and in many ways left post-Civil War Blacks in worse shape than when they started the war.
It wasn't until 100 years after the end of the Civil War that Blacks finally achieved equality through the Civil Rights amendment. This was an amendment that would have more likely been passed sooner if slavery were dissolved through a bloodless revolution that would have taken place as America became industrialized.
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The truth probably lies in the middle of these views. It is true that slaves in the US were quite expensive, and that a slave owner would not have the motive to injure a slave, or make a slave less able to work - any more than a person would be likely to take a sledgehammer to an expensive vehicle. OTOH considering men and power, there would have been a fair amount of raping going on.
While serious physical abuse (other than rape) was not likely, there certainly were exceptions. http://tinyurl.com/28gp86
Maximus: Are you not entertained? Is this not why you are here?
Dear Lord, what revisionist "history" horse crap you are spewing all over IMDB, jtpaladin.
Here's a bit of history you clearly still have not accepted - but is FACT nonetheless:
1) The South LOST!. Do try to GET OVER IT!
2) Slavery was BAD! Repeat until you believe. And if impossible, at least spare the rest of us your asinine rants to the contrary. No one cares. And everyone sees straight through them.
3) "Abolitionists" NOT "Abolishionists", bubba. Not only is your illiteracy showing on that one, but so is your questionable education - or lack thereof.
I guess an 8th grade education "just don't take yer as fer as it used to" huh, JT? Does the "JT" stand for Jethro? Perhaps it does.
4) The only person who could still possibly call "abolitionists" - "extremists" in the 21st century... probably shouldn't be on IMDB to begin with. Don't you have a Klan meeting somewhere that you're late for?
5) Michael Vicks was not "good" to his dogs either. Just threw that one in as a point of reference for you.
6) If anything "generates hatred against 'White' Southerners," it's uneducated, misinformed, backwater cretins and jackass white Southerners like you, who use the anonymity of the internet to make statements that would likely get your face repositioned for you in the light of day; and whose ignorance gives real white Southerners a bad name; and whose racist agenda is about as clueless, pathetic, transparent and laughable... as those cheap Walmart sheets you cut up to wear to your silly little wienie roasts.
Dear Lord, what revisionist "history" horse crap you are spewing all over IMDB, jtpaladin.
Here's a bit of history you clearly still have not accepted - but is FACT nonetheless:
1) The South LOST!. Do try to GET OVER IT!
2) Slavery was BAD! Repeat until you believe. And if impossible, at least spare the rest of us your asinine rants to the contrary. No one cares. And everyone sees straight through them.
3) "Abolitionists" NOT "Abolishionists", bubba. Not only is your illiteracy showing on that one, but so is your questionable education - or lack thereof.
I guess an 8th grade education "just don't take yer as fer as it used to" huh, JT? Does the "JT" stand for Jethro? Perhaps it does.
4) The only person who could still possibly call "abolitionists" - "extremists" in the 21st century... probably shouldn't be on IMDB to begin with. Don't you have a Klan meeting somewhere that you're late for?
6) If anything "generates hatred against 'White' Southerners," it's uneducated, misinformed, backwater cretins and jackass white Southerners like you, who use the anonymity of the internet to make statements that would likely get your face repositioned for you in the light of day; and whose ignorance gives real white Southerners a bad name; and whose racist agenda is about as clueless, pathetic, transparent and laughable... as those cheap Walmart sheets you cut up to wear to your silly little wienie roasts.
Oh, this is TOO easy! Like shooting dumbass ducks in bucket!
So let's review and analyze your "responses" shall we? Actually they weren't responses really, so much as they were one long uninterrupted whine. You got called out for the crap you spew and the crap you are, and I suppose you just couldn't handle the truth, huh? Sad. And so very typical of your ilk.
So let's see...
1) I go back to your original posts - left before you knew your stupid ass would get challenged for them:
"That's just crazy propaganda put out by Abolishionist extremists to generate hatred against White Southerners. The fact is that in general, slave-owners treated their slaves very well because slaves were very expensive and it was important to the survival of a plantation that the slaves be kept healthy and realitively happy."
Sounds like a defense of 'White Southerners" by a "white Southerner" to me, your weak protestations to the contrary notwithstanding. Not to mention that no student of actual history, let alone a true "Northerner" would use the phrase "abolishionist extremists" (sic) in this day and age. It just goes to show that there are still bigots in the north and south, pal. So wherever the hell you're from, you are exposed. You say you would have actually fought for the North? Please. With friends like you - who needs enemies!
Your assertion that "slaveowners treated their slaves very well... and 'realitively' (sic) happy" is utter, useless, garbage. They were maintained to the level that was necessary for them to perform their function. Period. Just like Vick's dogs. Any benevolence you allege is fiction based on mythology, and based on racist desperation and justification.
Slaves were PROPERTY, you clown! And deemed less than human. And were treated as such. Certainly every rule bears rare exceptions - but that IS THE RULE. And it was the rule of tradition and the rule of law. If you don't know that basic fact at minimum, then your arrogance is truly only exceeded by your ignorance. Furthermore, I happen to have advanced degrees in history, Jethro, and wrote a thesis on slave conditions. I could recommend any number of authoritative and definitive books and texts that refute all of your bogus assertions if I actually thought you had the slightest interest or intellectual capacity to study them. What's YOUR educational background, Jethro, since you're "such" an expert? A GED? Night school at DeVry? Not much more surely based on your obvious inability to even spell accurately! What exactly is 'realitively' again? Because it certainly isn't a word! And I pointed out "abolishionist" because it wasn't just a typo. You wrote it several times! If you are so well-read on the subject, and not just talking out of the side of your ass, surely you would have encountered the correct spelling of the word somewhere in your "studies"? You want to talk history, fine. Learn some first. Then try to spell what you've learned! Then come talk to me.
2) But I can go even further back into your own history. And when I do, this little jewel appears:
On Hugh Quarshie:
by jtpaladin (Tue May 29 2007 17:14:21)
"...I heard that he declined to be in the other SW films because his friends told him he was just a punk for being Lucas' step-in-fetch.
Here's what he was told:
"Yo, bitch, y'all goin' to be in Star Wars? What? You a fool? We's goin' busta a cap in yo ass if you do it again."
He then called Lucas and said, "Ah, Mr. Lucas, I'm going to have to decline your offer to be in the next Star Wars film. All my homies think I'm a sell out."
Lucas then begged him saying, "I need a Black guy in my films and even though you have no talent, I need you, man!!"
True story"
You see, you moronic little jerk? Give the jackass just enough rope... and he WILL hang himself every time! Was that supposed to be your attempt at comedy, you lowlife scumbag? Malign a respected Ghanian/British actor who is a member of the Royal Shakespeare Company, and is NOT EVEN AFRICAN-AMERICAN with your pseudo-"ebonic", purely fictional, ignorant and insulting little tirade? Very funny huh?
As funny as your IQ. And as low.
There's just so much more, but what's the point. Your technique is so obvious. You make grand claims of facts that you can't substantiate and make ridiculous charges that just don't stick. That's your M.O. And then you whine like the little psycho bitch you are when you're completely exposed for the intellectually deficient, emotionally retarded, steaming pile of excrement you are.
What I find interesting is that you took offense at being called a Southerner, but none at being called a racist. Your silence speaks volumes.
You have very serious problems. You may even present a danger to public safety. No doubt it is just a matter of time before we hear about you on CNN under "Breaking News." I just hope to God the only person you take to Hell is yourself. You're just an angry, unhappy, uneducated, miserable, delusional, antisocial, dissociative, racist, histrionic/narcissistic psycho-sociopathic loathsome little clown, who feels the world owes him something, and blames everyone else for the insignificance of the little place you've carved out for yourself in it. No doubt a peculiar little place where everyone that knows you points and laughs and rolls their eyes in both pity and disgust, both behind your back and to your sniveling little face.
Like I said, give a jackass enough rope and he'll hang himself every time. So the only real question for you is:
WOULD YOU LIKE SOME MORE ROPE?!
OK, I see the problem. You are mixing jokes with actual historical commentary. You seem to lack the ability to tell the difference between the two. It's a necessary function to be able to post here and carry on a conversation. Clearly, you lack those basic skills so now I mercifully go from scorn to simple pity for you.
The reality is we can go back and forth and insult each other but that just gets boring after a while especially with someone who displays a lack of basic communication skills. I now feel sorry for you. Seriously.
Using the Hugh Quarshie example as anything more than a silly joke suggests that you are either devoid of the ability to understand that Hugh was clearly OVER-QUALIFIED to waste time in a SW film only makes the joke that much more funny. I realize the humor is lost on you but so is much of my efforts to demonstrate that fanatics like John Brown are universally scorned as murdering fanatics, appear to be a hero to you even in current day historical observation.
I took no offense at being called a Southerner. The most beautiful women in the world are Southerners. The South has a rich history and I respect the universal civility (of which does not apply to you) I receive when I visit friends and family in the South. So, obviously, you are wrong that I took offense at being called a "Southerner". I only took offense at your assumption that I was from the South when clearly you were wrong.
And of course I took offense at your racist allegation but then again, I took offense at every idiotic thing you said. Don't you realize your post went on and on with every conceivable insult you could spew from your keyboard. I also noticed you didn't deny your anti-Semitism. So I can only assume that you are a neo-Nazi just waiting to kill someone who is Jewish. It may be a good idea for me to alert the ADL and let them know a dangerous neo-Nazi is on the loose.
You also feel the need to tell me that slaves were considered property. As if that's not universally known. You seem to be under the illusion that you are the only one that knows anything about slavery and that period of time. Well, obviously you're wrong. Again, there isn't a single thing that I said that isn't verifiably true. You just rather spend your time spewing hatemongering on an epic scale. This suggests one of two things. Either you are just a hateful, deranged lunatic who just spends his time spewing crazed remarks or this is just some elaborate joke because no one could possible think he's going to be taken seriously talking like this to anyone whether they agree with them or not.
While I laughed at your initial demented rantings, I am now concerned that you may in fact be a danger to yourself and others. I've never seen anyone become so insanely deranged about some minor comments regarding a movie. If you really disagreed with my comments, the right thing to do would be to address them and refute them. That's what normal people do. But you didn't bother doing that. You just made your comments personal as if you were on some illicit drug that made you incapable of rational discussion but instead turned you into a raging maniac.
Like I said before, if you want to have a civil discussion regarding this topic, that's fine, but if you're going to pursue your bizarre hate-filled manner then there's no point in further comments. But I will alert Administrators to your remarks so that perhaps they can explain to you why what you are doing is a violation of the rules here at IMDB.
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Classic retort. Just change the pronouns because you're simply too ignorant to respond on your own. I point out your dissociative, maladaptive personality, so what do you try to do? Accuse me of same! HA! Not very unique are you? Certainly not capable of original thought once your bluster is actually challenged with FACT and TRUTH.
Let's cut to the chase here, because your formulaic responses and desperate ad hominem attempts at attacks really do bore me.
You point out my omissions only as not so clever attempts at deflection. YOU STILL don't deny you are a racist! I ignored your mindless and desperate ramblings about anti-Semitism, because there was nothing in my response to even suggest anti-Semitism. Grasping at straws is a desperate ploy, utilized by incredibly desperate individuals. Not worth my time to even respond. Actually I will respond - you're a schmuck. And a putz. There. Appropriate reponse, don't ya think?
Your racism on the other hand is evident. And you don't get out of the comments about Hugh Quarshie so easily either. What you wrote was insulting and demeaning. Only in your ignorant and immature world could they even be remotely considered as "humor." What are you, 12? And now you don't even have the stones to stand by them! With everything else then, you're also a coward! Racist humor is NOT humor, you moron. A memo you clearly never got. So try that lie on someone else, you'll find no takers here.
I do however find myself amused by your little backward dance in an effort to retreat from some of your most vicious lies, distortions and inaccuracies. But its all just a little too late, son. Where you stand is reflected in your original writings, not your half-hearted retractions. So you may as way stand by them now. They're on the record. Your "jokes". Your pro-slavery rants. Your anti-abolitionist rants. Your revisionist history regarding the slave conditions. It's all there. Too late to run now, you small-minded, slack-jawed David Duke wannabe.
And frankly I had actually intended to report your little screed to IMDB administrators, but that would defeat the purpose. You would just spew more garbage elsewhere. Deleting would serve no purpose. So I took the wiser approach and demanded that you defend yourself - which upon review was a much better choice. With every response you just did yourself a deeper whole for all the world to see. That's what should happen to racists - shed light on them for everyone to see them for what they are. And laugh. And learn. So you want to involve IMDB administrators pal? PLEASE DO! I DARE YOU! They'll see what you've written and once they start going through your history, I wouldn't be surprised if your account gets closed. In fact I WOULD URGE IT! As for my commentary, it is fully protected under IMDB as I've used no profanity, despite my wish to call you a few choice names that you fully deserve. The only hate speech on these pages has been yours - oh wait, I forgot, they were supposedly hidden as "jokes".
And as regards your "knowledge" of history - once again, your silence said everything you wouldn't. I asked for your educational background and surprise - you couldn't even provide an answer. Duh! Unless you count the Klan blogs you write and read as the source of your material as education. Luckily they are not. AFraid to admit you are an uninformed, uneducated, blowhard who doesn't know jack? No worries, it's pretty self-evident.
You are a danger. You are everything I said you were. And more. And now you are exposed as the socio-psychopathic bigot you are.
Now about those Klan meetings... how are they working for ya now? Just don't let them boys see your weak ass defenses here. It's really pretty embarrassing for you. And them. They might even revoke your sheets!
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@clarifier: You are idiotic beyond belief. You lack basic text comprehension. Basically everything you said is, at best, straw man argument to jtpaladin's post. I'm not even going to bother explaining all the things you misunderstood, for I am quite certain it would be wasted effort.
You should accept jtpaladin as your teacher, but it's obvious that you have no patience to be taught. The propaganda already got the better of you.
Never argue with a Cultural Marxist. They never make sense and they never give up their racism.
I won't indulge in name calling, although you don't make civility easy. I'll just say that you are pitifully ignorant about the truth of the Old South. This book, and the movie it spawned, were inspired by the life of James Henry Hammond, sixtieth governor of South Carolina. In a ten year period over seventy of his slaves died due to maltreatment, he had several bastard children with his slave/mistress Louisa, before replacing her with her daughter, and he molested his three teenaged nieces. It was the latter atrocity which destroyed his political career; his constituents apparently weren't bothered by the rest of it. If you're interested, you can buy a copy of his diary on Amazon. There's also an excellent book about his family called The Hammonds of Redcliffe.
shareWell said. Thanks.
shareYou are an freaking idiot and so lost on the lies you've read.
Ignorance is bliss
Chesterrodney knows the story better than you, if slavery was so great, then why did they made it against the law then??? Hmmmmnn, think about it, It's people like you who back in those days would have thought slavery was good, you're pathetic
Nobody here said or believes slavery was great, therefore your entire post is invalid.
Never argue with a Cultural Marxist. They never make sense and they never give up their racism.
You are an freaking idiot and so lost on the lies you've read.
I'm not here to call jtpaladin a moron, but let's be honest, no credible historian would support his version of slavery and the antebellum era. He relies heavily on the "Lost Cause" defense advanced by southerners after the Civil War. His position is historically inaccurate and very offensive.
No competent scholar has made the "happy slave argument" for years. Slavery was a paternalistic and brutal system of psychological and physical oppression. Look at works by Eugene Genovese, Kenneth Stamp, and Ira Berlin.
jtpaladin is right that Radical Republicans stepped away from their promises to emancipated blacks during Reconstruction, but he leaves out white southerners' systematic campaign of terror, rape, and murder. They tried to keep blacks "in line" and prevent them from achieving full citizenship.
I'm not sure what point he is trying to make about African slavery, but yes, he is correct that Africans often enslaved their war captives. American slavery differed in various ways, including in its racial ideology of black slaves as innately inferior.
jtpaladin's final point about slavery eventually being phased out in a bloodless revolution is unsupported. Slavery remained profitable through the 1850s and it is questionable whether a southern society so wedded to the institution economically and socially would give it up without a fight. The South's struggles with race relations and slow progress in industrialization in the decades after the war demonstrates the region's difficulty, ideologically and physically, in switching to a industrial, free-labor system.
jtpaladin presents bad history. I'd advise everyone, particularly him, to consult a current historical work, and realize that his position has no merit. It amazes me that there are people who still advance his long discredited views.
A lot of "credible historians" have been bought to support any and all anti-White propaganda. The system itself has been corrupted.
Never argue with a Cultural Marxist. They never make sense and they never give up their racism.
You are really ignorant. Even if what you suppose is true, the fact still remains a race of people were considered property. Give me a break!
shareThe fact still remains that white men ended institutional slavery in the US. Give me a break!
Never argue with a Cultural Marxist. They never make sense and they never give up their racism.
'keeping slaves happy' was the biggest myth of all time propagated. Only way to to keep an enslaved person denied all human rights, happy is to ensure them full human rights. Its like saying how does one keep prisoners detained without trial or charges happy.
The defenders of the trade always point out that Africans sold there own people into it willingly and there was slavery in Africa. However slavery in africa was entirely different. It was not permanent, or based on colour people would be given freedom and allowed to practice their own religion and culture. Children of slaves were not slaves. In America they past laws that children of enslaved and all blacks would be enslaved. Even if they had no connection with Africa after living in the US for many generations. Christianity to its eternal shame was used to justify this evil culture by the myth of Noah cursing ham which meant blacks were eternal cursed slaves. God or jesus did not say that, so Noah is above them? the man whose family and himself copulated with each other since no other humans were alive after the flood?
Another point about 'slave breeding'. Strange this concept was never discussed at the time by writers or later academics who studied slavery. Kyle Onstott brought it up in his books, he was a dog breeder by profession! The reason why we have different shades, 'octoroons' etc is because under the law, one drop of black blood meant you were non human and a slave. there was no need for systematic slave breeding programs which probably never took place apart from in his books.
During the civil war it was easy to see why blacks fought for the confederacy. They were made to by the plantation owners, not choice of their own. The real turning point of slavery was not the civil war. Endling Slavery was not the war aims. Lincoln Could have issued the 'Emancipation Proclamation' before the outbreak of hostilities but he didnt, or rather couldnt. HE even said his aim was to preserve the union and if he could find a way of doing by keeping slavery in the south he would.
The real turning point was the war of independence a century earlier. Both sides promised the enslaved and native americans full freedom and respect of land rights etc if they joined them. After the war the agreements were broken. Slavery should have ended then. Back to the Civil War, during reconstruction blacks were given full rights, could be elected in office, and have power and authority over rights in courts of law, legislature. there were black judges and juries for the first time etc. However the southern 'rednecks' 'crackers' or whatever term for them did not like the idea of blacks having power, fearing it could be used against them. They then used violence to prevent blacks from voting and introduced the jim crow laws and segregation that went on till the 1960s. So Obama's election came two centuries late.
The defenders of the evil system are the ones who believe they are only being 'patriotic' because that is what America is 'really' about. None of the founding fathers believed in equality and human rights for blacks and native americans, they had to know their place. Even Lincoln himself said free blacks will never be respected or seen as equals and best bet was to leave the country, since that is not possible for all they would have to bear with things.
Well said.
shareHaven't read the novel, so can't make a comparison; but I find the film to be a lurid, steamy, sometimes sleazy, polished B grader; that borders precariously close to exploitation and probably even crosses that line on occasion. The characters and themes could be considered masochistic and while it was depicting an era, of dark, ignorant, morally bankrupt and repugnant attitudes; it was too poorly acted, to be realistic enough.
James Mason—being the big name in the cast—was comical and hammy, with an accent that sounds more South African than Southern. Perry King and Susan George are average at best and the wooden and stoic Norton, would have been cast for his look only. The story plays out like a raunchy, perverted, over the top soap opera.
The tag line for the film Expect The Savage. The Sensual. The Shocking. The Sad. The Powerful. The Shameful. Expect The Truth: only enhances how sensationalistic they wanted the film to be and push boundaries, with the presentation of the material. Like it's even more exploitative and quite amusing sequel DRUM, they are way too entertaining to be taken as serious films. Watch 12 YEARS A SLAVE instead.
'keeping slaves happy' was the biggest myth of all time propagated. Only way to to keep an enslaved person denied all human rights, happy is to ensure them full human rights.
1 pair of shoes? seems a lot had none.
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with so much "knowledge" on slavery being discussed here, has anyone read Jim Goad's Redneck Manifesto (I think it's still around... check amazon)? It's been a couple years since I read it (don't let the hokey name fool you), but he adds a bit to the history of slavery: whites and others were also slaves & indentured servants. Curious book. A remake of this film with this "revisionist" claim would be interesting.
shareI would suggesr read books rather than watch this or any movie for history.
shareWhile this movie is "camp" and exoticizes the sexual savagery or even physical savagery of the times, they are not far off the mark. Any slave holding or extremely hierarchical society will see that degrading behavior becomes the norm and never forget that exposure to extreme violence as a child leads all involved to become more immune to it. I remember reading archives of slave traders, there was a market in New Orleans just for "fancy" girls who in general were light skinned and mixed-race women who were sold exclusively for sex. There was an article I read on women being taken from Charlottesville, Virginia to Louisiana for this purpose. I also remember reading an article written by a slave holder who said there wasn't a good looking black woman in the South who was not someone's mistress. They did not see blacks as people. Similar abuse and first hand accounts of the abuse of women, men, children in servitude etc. can be found amongst the serfs in Europe before the end of feudalism (although obviously it wasn't color based) or in ancient Rome/Greece. The Irish/Scottish who came as indentured servants were also treated quite badly but I wish by no means to minimize the suffering of the African slaves in the Western world.
shareMore realistic than Django Unchained.
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