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Towers windows break too easily


The tower windows seemed to break a lot easier than I'd expect. I'm referring to when (a) Lorrie smashes a window with a chair and even (b) when the firemen knock (tap heavily, really) the window out so the breeches buoy can be used.

I saw a programme, James Mays' 20th Century, in which he dropped a Mini weighing two-thirds of a ton onto a sheet of skyscraper window glass from 5 foot up and in didn't damage it at all. See 8m15s in at:

http://www.streetfire.net/video/james-mays-20th-century-ep06-big-city-bright-lig_199222.htm

I know poor Garry Hoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Hoy) managed to run at a skyscraper window and go through it. Apparently, his company's spokesman later stated that the glass did not break but was knocked out of its frame.

So I found it harder to believe those scenes in the film. They weren't the end of the world and weaker glass made the film more dramatic and let them get on with the story. But just sent out a false impression to those people who seem to find tall buildings scary enough as it is.

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I agree, that is a hole in the script. Skyscrapers don't use common glass.

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I agree, that is a hole in the script. Skyscrapers don't use common glass.

This one did. Look at all the corner-cutting that went on in its construction, leading to the fire in the first place.

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I don't think we can conclude that their cost-cutting included putting ordinary glass in it, that'd be crazy. I think the glass smashes easily just for dramatic reasons, not for realism.

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I know poor Garry Hoy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garry_Hoy) managed to run at a skyscraper window and go through it. Apparently, his company's spokesman later stated that the glass did not break but was knocked out of its frame.

And Hoy was given a posthumous Darwin Award for his derring-dumb regardless of the integrity of the window.

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I'm not sure what point you're making here, with the 'regardless'...

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Yes, that glass would never break that easily, if at all. Glass windows in a skyscraper, especially one over a hundred stories high, are made of material designed specifically not to shatter because of high winds, storms, bird impacts and the like, even earthquakes. Windows like that are more likely to pop out whole than be shattered.

As a volunteer firefighter I watch this movie with interest. In my experience I've been among firefighters trying to break hurricane windows in buildings only one story high. They simply do not break -- you have to cut around the entire window frame in order to remove it, intact. In tall buildings such windows make sense because of the stresses they're subject to, because venting at that altitude is for several reasons unlikely to be done, and because rescues through windows at that height are almost never going to occur. But in buildings of only one or two stories or so (houses and so forth) such windows can be a hazard because they can't be smashed with axes or hatchets, it's critical to vent smoke and windows may be needed to gain entry to the premises to search for victims, particularly on the second floor and above. In low-level structures such windows may do more harm than good.

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Thanks for your knowledgeable comments - I know hardly anything about this stuff so that's very interesting to hear. Particularly about super-strong glass being a real hindrance at lower levels. Does that happen much where builders put that stuff low-down? Thanks.

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Well, I don't know how often firefighters run into unbreakable windows in houses. Fortunately of course most houses don't end up burning so it never becomes an issue for most homeowners. But in addition to one or two personal experiences I know of a few fires in which I was not involved, where the same problem arose -- firefighters unable to break through hurricane windows.

It's actually pretty impressive that they can produce windows of such amazing strength. Since I'm in a coastal community literally right on the Atlantic I can understand the use of such windows in terms of storm protection, and FEMA regulations encourage the use of such windows. But the downside, and it's not an inconsiderable one, is the problem they pose in gaining entrance in a fire. The building I mentioned was actually a large market and the main window must have been 10 feet or more in length, obviously far larger than anything you'd find in most houses. But whatever the size as I said the only way to get into a building via such a window is to take a Sawzall and cut through the wood around the frame, removing the entire window and frame in one intact piece. As you'd guess this is a lengthy and cumbersome process not without its own hazards. In this case even the main doors had hurricane-proof glass and had to be removed whole to get in. Fortunately no one was inside, but we still needed to get inside to vent the smoke and knock down the fire.

I guess it's a matter of weighing the likelihood and damage potential of separate hazards. Clearly, you're more likely to be in a storm than a fire. On the other hand, which is worse -- having a glass window shatter in a storm, causing wind and water damage inside the building? Or having a fire that can burn longer and unchecked because access may be more difficult? Really, in either case you'll end up with some water damage, so that aspect seems moot. And you're more likely to be caught inside a burning house than in a hurricane, since presumably you'll have evacuated before the storm hit. (You can tell all this reflects my firefighter bias!)

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So, I suppose they should've made the glass more realistic so we could have a 45 minute sequence of them trying to break it.

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Well, it's taken a long time for Hillary to break the glass ceiling, so....

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Oh, I don't like your 45 minute idea. They can show breaking them in 15 seconds - what waa your '45 minutes' plan going to show?

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