I had heard negatives from reviewers of the musical rendition of Mame. With the wonderful music of the show, Lucille Ball, Bea Arthur, and Robert Preston as the leads, I simply could not imagine it would be bad so out of pure curiosity I watched it last night to see if I agreed. I enjoyed most of it. Liked the first half better than the second. Certainly do not think it was the best movie musical out there, but I absolutely do not think it deserved the low ratings it got. I thought Lucille Ball and Robert Preston were great. Overall, very entertaining and I thought the scene in the middle of the film when they sing "Mame" is wonderful. Just wondering if anyone out there agrees or if you disagree and feel I missed something, I'd love to know.
Actually, MAME got some very good reviews - Variety's was an out-and-out rave, and I think the NY Times was kindly disposed to it as well. But some reviews did carp that the film seemed over-stuffed and over-produced, and many, of course, focused on Lucille Ball's unsuitability for the role and, even more painful to her, her age and the steps they took to disguise it. Some of these reviews seemed like personal attacks and she was devastated by them. MAME finished her film career.
I'm the biggest MAME/AUNTIE MAME fan in the world - one look at my living-room walls and you'd have no doubt - but even I've come to realize that the film was hopelessly old-fashioned and out-of-date by 1974, and it's also possible that the public was perhaps just a bit weary of it - by the time the film came out they'd had 19 years of the character on the page, the stage, and the screen (there were still touring productions of MAME in the mid-1970s, including several with original star Lansbury).
"In my case, self-absorption is completely justified."
Thanks for your response. I forgot to mention Angela Lansbury (who I also greatly admire). I'm sure she was great on the stage. Sounds like the movie might have been a timing issue. It happens. Still, I enjoyed it.
I've got a soft spot in my heart for Lucy's "Mame". Although my first recollection was seeing the marquee outside the theatre saying "Lucille Ball in MAME". I didn't see it then but my 9 year-old mind only knew that "maim" meant to severly injur or cripple so I thought Lucy was in a horror film! (Honest truth!)
So it was both books for me first, then the Rosiland Russell movie and by then I'd been tainted by comments about "Mame". My friend warned me that it looked like she'd been film through cheesecloth or vaseline! (Not true is it?)
I have an aversion to film musicals that should've starred the stage stars, Hello Dolly, The Wiz, My Fair Lady, etc. Lucille Ball isn't the quintessential Mame Dennis, but there's a twinkle and a sadness in her eyes that makes me love this interpretation of Mame more than I should.
IMO, two words: Lucille Ball. If it's really true that she was chosen over Angela Lansbury for this film, no wonder it was not very well received. I admit I am very anti Lucille Ball, because I think she is talented, but in a very limited way, as kind of a slapstick comedienne. I strongly prefer Carol Burnett if I'm looking to be entertained in that way. And conversely I am a big fan of Ms. Lansbury who has shown great breadth of talent.
Thanks for your response. I love Lucille Ball and thought she was great in Mame, but totally understand that Angela Lansbury did the role on Broadway and she is a spectacular actress as well. I so want to see a show with Ms. Lansbury.
'think she is talented, but in a very limited way, as kind of a slapstick comedienne. I strongly prefer Carol Burnett if I'm looking to be entertained' -------------------- Lucille was much more than slapstick actor. In her prime, she had a way with words to rival anybody,and that is likley one of the problems; she was too old for MAME and her line delivery was not what it used to be. She was an actress foremost, and I never found her limited; her range was never tapped.
she was too old for MAME and her line delivery was not what it used to be.
Lucille Ball's line delivery didn't suffer because of her age, it suffered because of her years of severe alcoholism. Carol Burnette's comic line deliveries were as snappy as ever at the same age.
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As others have noted, many felt that Lucille Ball was simply too old for the role. Those familiar with the show were disappointed at Angela Lansbury's absence and also at how the musical numbers were slowed down in keeping with Ball's deteriorated voice. Even many fans of the movie admit (sometimes reluctantly) that Lucy simply wasn't up to the role and that her singing and dancing were no longer up to par. It's also important to remember that at the time it came out, musicals were rapidly going out of style and fading as a genre; at the time there were some critics and audience members who felt the movie was hopelessly out-of-date and old-fashioned.
It got some mockery for the filters and gauze used in closeups to disguise Lucy's age. You'd have a shot of the crowd, in crystal-clear focus, then a closeup of Lucy that was all hazy, then another shot of the crowd in crystal-clear focus, then another hazy closeup of Lucy. Many found that strange and jolting; personally, I think it makes the film look cheap and shoddy. It's painfully obvious they were trying to disguise her age, and that jolts one out of the movie.
MAME has its fans, any film does, but from what I understand many who were actually in the film or involved in the making of it utterly despised it. Jerry Herman hated this movie so much he made a new rule that no films could be made of his musicals without his direct involvement and supervision. Bea Arthur called it a "disaster" and was embarrassed by it. I don't know what Lucy felt of the movie itself, but she did later say that making it was a miserable experience, "as much fun as watching your house burn down." Angela Lansbury detested it, although that's at least partly because she is (understandably) bitter about being passed over for the role, one of her great signature parts; even today she maintains that the movie would have been better with her in it. She never forgave Warners for slighting her that way.
MAME has become almost legendary for being a bad, misconceived, miscast movie, but as always, opinions differ.
I think the professionalism of Arthur, Herman and Lansbury is to be commended - while Lucille Ball was alive, each of them respected her enough to keep their opinions of the film either private or very general, and they maintained that professionalism and respect even after her death when being negative about the film and Lucy's participation in it.
"In my case, self-absorption is completely justified."
I have to step in here and say that I absolutely love the movie, flaws and all. Lucille Ball is in no way one of my favorite performers and I have little tolerance for I LOVE LUCY, but I most certainly do love Lucy as Mame Dennis in this film. I'd love to have had this Auntie Mame as my own. She's warm and funny and startlingly strong in the later dramatic scenes. I am fully open to non-singers in Musical leads and Lucy's renditions of the songs "reach" me. For sheer effort, I find this to be one of the great performances in filmed Musicals. (Certainly one of the most cruelly maligned.)
As a movie, and as a version of "Auntie Mame", I find no such disastrous fault worthy of my refusal of enjoyment. It's become a go-to Musical when I "need a little Christmas".
The "HOPELESSLY dated" label has shadowed the movie ever since Leonard Maltin used that line in his evil little book. Yes, MAME was an old-fashioned Musical. So were MY FAIR LADY, THE SOUND OF MUSIC and HELLO, DOLLY! MAME was an old-fashioned show in 1966 (?) when it opened as a Broadway smash. Its old-fashioned-ness does not seem to have applied to Angela Lansbury's touring company running concurrently with the movie version. Somehow only the movie is "hopeless"--and as far as being dated, it's a period piece. Heck, was not GREASE "old-fashioned and dated" without being "hopeless? That perception was a result of its time of MAME'S release, between Vietnam and Watergate when not only were movie Musicals unpopular but such expensive escapist entertainments could (and were) be taken as obscene in their seeming denial and disregard for the harsh reality of the moment.
But every moment is harsh in its way, as well as loving and peaceful. Seen apart from the circumstances of its initial release, MAME's old-fashioned-ness can be welcomed as a virtue.
Of COURSE Angela Lansbury would have been the best casting for the role of Auntie Mame. Why, she WAS the Broadway show. The fact is, however, that she did not star in the movie and Lucille Ball did. That's the fact; the rest is opinion. At some point, facts are best accepted. As Bette Davis once said to Joan Crawford, "Butchya ARE, Blanche! Ya ARE in that chair!"
I need this movie, and I need Lucille Ball as Auntie Mame, because in the world of this movie she IS Auntie Mame. When I want Angela Lansbury in MAME, I listen to the cast album. There Lansbury's Mame lives forever.
I need this movie, and I need Lucille Ball as Auntie Mame, because in the world of this movie she IS Auntie Mame. When I want Angela Lansbury in MAME, I listen to the cast album. There Lansbury's Mame lives forever.
Thank you so much for your beautiful post! And, I agree with nearly all of it, except for the part about not being a big fan of Lucy in general---I am, and she was my first crush! In fact, ever since I first saw Mame on AMC in the 1990s, as part of a Lucy birthday movie marathon, I fell in-love with it! To this day, I think it's the most enjoyable movie-musical I've ever seen, and it's my favorite!
The movie's not an absolute turkey, but it doesn't hold up very well next to AUNTIE MAME- Rosalind Russell is dynamic, whereas Lucille Ball is a bit creaky in comparison. Sorry to say, but Lucille Ball had done her best work much earlier in her career.
I think it has good moments, like the "Mame" number. I remember when the movie came out in the theaters I was a kid and the title number was the clip they always showed when plugging it on TV talk shows. There are slow spots though, and it doesn't sparkle as much as the stage version. It seems like there are long pauses for audience laughter that might have worked better in a movie theater than when watching at home on TV. Of course Lucy admitted herself that she wasn't a singer.
it gets bad reviews because, as jay Sherman would say, it stinks! there is nothing good about this film. it helped drive the stake through the heart of the musical film.
yendor: I agree that Lucille Ball was too old for the part of MAME. All of your examples were on point. However I disagree that she could not have pulled it off fifteen years earlier. She can act very sophisticated. In fact, even in certain episodes of I LOVE LUCY, she lets her true sophisticated personality slip through on camera. Of course she could always camp up haughtiness on cue as well.
'However I disagree that she could not have pulled it off fifteen years earlier. She can act very sophisticated. In fact, even in certain episodes of I LOVE LUCY, she lets her true sophisticated personality slip through on camera' ---------------------- Agreed. Lucy's voice had become draggy by 1974, and not on a par with her quick rapid delivery when she was young, including prior to I Love Lucy. There was nothing "naive" about Lucy's acting in yesteryear. Actually, Ball would have been suited for GYPSY(minus the singing)
The other reason is the expectation-factor. If Lucy had done this as Tv special without the hype and promotion, it would had come off without such passionate negative reviews
I read somewhere that Lucy "ruined" her voice during the Broadway run of Wildcat. She had never properly learned how to project and because of that damaged her vocal cords. Of course the 2 packs of unfiltered cigarettes and scotch did not help either.
MAME and WILDCAT actually delivered many of the same criticisms.
In WILDCAT, she was criticized for not "projecting" like the professional stage actors do. I think she herself unintentionally imputed jibes on herself for taking the role of a young woman at her advanced age.
The same snarky things were said about MAME; except instead of the lack of her projecting her voice on stage, she was called out on her voice period---which had become exponentially more raspy since WILDCAT.
Lucille Ball--a great beauty in her youth, and plenty talented, never got quite the right break to become a major movie star--this was a bitter thing to her. She hit her stride brilliantly as a near middle-aged woman in "I Love Lucy," was desperately in love with a philandering Desi Arnaz, was NOT beloved by those who worked with her, was not, in general a warm or particularly pleasant person. Or at least, as time went on, pleasant attitudes went out the door--maybe she figured why bother, what had being nice or patient gotten her?
What killed Ball's interpretation of Mame was not her age or her lack of vocal chops, but her staggering lack of warmth. Above all else, Mame Dennis is, under all the flash, a warm and loving woman. By 1974, Lucille Ball couldn't even fake it. She came across in "Mame" as she invariably did in TV interviews--hard as nails. And distinctly unfunny. (Bea Arthur would have made a far better Mame!)
Then again, under Lucy Ricardo's "madcap" antics, always lurked, rather appealingly, the tough cookie Ball really was. But whatever softness Ball had, evaporated around the time of her divorce from Arnaz. Nor did she ever regain the brilliance she displayed on the best seasons of "I Love Lucy."
You really nailed Lucille Ball's character---at least from what I've read. I couldn't agree more when you said, "Then again, under Lucy Ricardo's "madcap" antics, always lurked, rather appealingly, the tough cookie Ball really was."
I have also noticed moments in I LOVE LUCY in which Ball seems to fall out of character. When she does, what I see is a tough, sophisticated, almost jaded woman. But yet she comes across as rather beguiling and glamorous.
However, in her later years, like you said, she couldn't "fake it." And somehow the sophistication she had now came across as hardened, cold, and very jaded. The character of Mame had an innocence that Ball could no longer muster. Therefore, she was miscast as MAME.