Umm, can someone tell me - Ilsa: She Wolf of the SS (1975) Discussion

[–] xaing9 21 years ago

they had a girl standing on a block of ice with a noose around her neck while they dined. she dies of course. as they laugh it up and get all drunk n whatnot. not a lot of homosexuality. one(1) lesbo scene that lasts like 30 seconds. its not that shocking, no. just a tease flick. both for the sex and the nazi *beep*. there's more to laugh at in this movie than be disgusted or shocked by.

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[–] gilford69 21 years ago

I didnt find this movie shocking at all! I bought this off e bay after bring told that it was an excellet exploitation movie, boy was I disappointed! If you want to see a REALLY gory movie about "army test camps" get your hands on a copy of Men Behind the Sun Uncut, now that is shocking!

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[–] jamesklein 21 years ago

Oh it's still got the goods. I brought this over to a friend's place one night and the two women watching it forced us to shut it off. Not over the nudity, it was the graphic violence.

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[–] teo-the-greek 20 years ago

Yeap,Men Behind The Sun,that was disgusting.

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[–] Ehren1984 20 years ago

This movie is just 100% 1970's cheesy sleaze. Its twisted as *beep*...but by todays standards the gore is rather tame. You'll watch it and think "thats kinda *beep* up!!" but you won't honestly be grossed out by anything shown onscreen. Its a movie you watch with a bunch of people eating pizza and drinking beer. I watched it and kinda laughed through it...cause it is WAY cheesy...plus the fact that it was shot on th set of HOGAN's HEROES!

For some depraved twisted 70s cheese...this is a good one to watch.

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[–] gibbog 20 years ago

I just received the Ilsa 3 pack dvd set, containing She Wolf of the SS, Harem Keeper of the Oil Sheiks and The Wicked Warden.

I was going to start a thread myself about the gore and shock level in these films, but as there is already one here...

I kind of figured that the level of gore would be pretty tame by today's standards. Last night I watched Peter Jackson's "Bad Taste" and found it to be more hilarious than anything else. I think that to a certain extent I am desensitized by violence in films. Especially a movie like "Bad Taste". It's not like it's "realisitc" as such.

In any of the Ilsa films (from what I can gather from the storylines that is) the violence seems to be a bit more realistic, in the sense that some of it could actually happen. Not that it would, but with some of the torture that was going on in Iraq, and the death and destruction that goes with any war, it's not too hard to comprehend.

I guess that's a poor statement on today's society in a way. When you are relatively unaffected by violence it's not a good thing. Then again if I was in a situation where I was front and center with such violent acts, I think it would have a much larger effect.

What it comes down to is that this is only a movie. While a debate may rage as to the need for such exploitation films to be made, they nevertheless do have an entertainment value to some. Some violent films are made to reflect real life, as is the case with war movies for example. The Ilsa films seem to be made more for the former.

I am going to start with "She Wolf of the SS" tonight. To see if the dvd sleeve is correct: "Uncut! Uncensored! Unbelieveable!"

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[–] Gorebag 19 years ago

This has to been in my top 5 favorite films of all time. Well acted for this type of film and nothing in it looked cheap. For being in her 40's at the time this film was made Dyanne Thorne was one hot piece of Nazi ass!(add in the obligator "I'd do her" comment here) haha

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[–] tekbarrier 19 years ago

"Nothing in it looked cheap"

What are you smoking? There were times when the makeup and effects were downright shameful: when the fat guard with the moustache gets his throat cut near the end, the blood doesn't even appear where he is first cut; when you see the girl in the scalding water, you can see the fake skin peeling off, exposing the real skin underneath; and what the hell was the sound effect they used when the electrified dildo is inserted into the women? It hardly sounded realistic.

All in all, this movie is little more than a softcore porn set in a Nazi work camp, with a few scary scenes thrown in to make it shocking. I have absolutely no idea how it was added to the thread of the 55 most shocking movies ever.

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[–] Der_Schnibbler 19 years ago

I think you need to step back and consider the film from a more human standpoint rather than nitpicking on technical mumbo-jumbo. Then you'll understand why it's shocking.

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[–] mantis-in-lace 19 years ago

The Ilsa movies WERE considered shocking back in the 70s, when they were first made, because of the subject matter and the nudity, but because movies have advanced beyond way that point technologically (it's been over 30 years, jeez), they are no longer shocking. Why is that so surprising???

This can be said of most movies from that time period, with the exception of a handful of movies that still shock me, so don't buy movies from the 70s and expect them to be all that shocking. That's stupid.

I saw this movie and others like it for the first time on 42nd Street in a smelly, grindhouse theatre with rats scurrying across the floor, bullets flying overhead, and peeping tom weirdos staring at me while making lewd gestures (which is how it was intended to be seen). Seeing it at some boring-ass, cookie-cutter Twelveplex theatre or in the safety and comfort of your little suburban "home on the prairie" is not gonna have the same effect, kiddos. You can't borrow someone else's pop culture and expect it to be the same for you as it was for them. That time is gone. Just enjoy the T&A (Dyanne Thorne is a hottie) and the bloopers and the cheesy dialogue and have a good time... or not.

Also, please remember that if it weren't for movies like this, none of the ones that came after would've had anything to make remakes of or steal pieces from, so realize that what you are looking at are the ORIGINALS. Quentin Tarantino has made his whole career from ripping off old movies and "regurgitating" them in a new way. I ain't hating, I love his movies, I'm just telling the truth. Either appreciate them and respect them for being the ORIGINATORS of camp sleeze or FORGET ABOUT THEM AND MOVE ON if it ain't for you.

"What did he want?"
"He said God sent him."
"What???"
"God sent him."
"On a *beep* Suzuki???"

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[–] rhayward-6 19 years ago

Totally agree. If it weren't for these gems, there would be nothing beat or remake. The Ilsa films are classics!

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[–] Der_Schnibbler 19 years ago

The Ilsa movies WERE considered shocking back in the 70s, when they were first made, because of the subject matter and the nudity, but because movies have advanced beyond way that point technologically (it's been over 30 years, jeez), they are no longer shocking. Why is that so surprising???

What is surprising is that they are not having any effect on modern day viewers. I too am aware of the technical shortcomings some other posters have pointed out here. (It was especially difficult ignoring the actors' horrible German accents, especially when Thorne pronounces "Reich" differently everytime she says it.) The point is to see the characters not for their acting capabilites or other superficial technical shortcomings but for the people and situations they represent. Sadly, it seems to me a lot of the kiddies today who have been raised on Playstation and special effects have lost so much of the ability to feel anything that they demand ever more that someone do the job of "shocking" them. For that, folks, you need some sensitivity of your own. You are on a path of depravity that will ultimately leave you unfulfilled, bored, and listless in life. What a shame.

Also, please remember that if it weren't for movies like this, none of the ones that came after would've had anything to make remakes of or steal pieces from, so realize that what you are looking at are the ORIGINALS.

Can you point out some references or direct copies of scenes or themes from "Ilsa..."? I'd be very interested to hear that!

I ain't hating

This is confusing. What does it mean? You don't hate Tarantino's movies but you just don't like them?

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[–] adriangr 19 years ago

I think the Nazi theme is more likely to be the cause of outrage for some people than the nudity and gore scenes.

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[–] Isnam777 13 years ago

I still thought it was pretty shocking (I'm now 27, and love exploitation cinema) and just saw it yesterday. I still think there would be some outrage today if this movie was just being released. The images of sexual violence are still revolting (as they should be) and it's hard for me to imagine the images in "Ilsa" being projected in any mainstream movie theater today. But it definitely wouldn't be as shocking as it was in the 70s.

Also, as far as "kiddies" being numb to anything violent, this is probably true but the older generation shares responsibility in letting violent images become so common in the media.

All that said, "Ilsa" is an exploitation classic (and essential) in my opinion.

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