The ending????
What the F??????? What was that??? I don't get it
shareI might have posted on this subject before, but here goes -- Axel is a guy who unconsciously seeks to destroy himself. He tries to do this by making insane bets with signficant amounts of money. People keep bailing him out. His mother gives him 40,000 or so to cover one debt. So Axel immediately uses it for another bet. Axel has a powerful grandfather, so he's given a certain amount of leeway in the underworld. Finally, when Axel runs out of favors and has tapped every source, he is bailed out yet again -- one of his students is a basketball player who Axel persuades to shave points. During the game, some henchmen are watching Axel from a distance, in case the point spread isn't covered. Luckily, the spread is covered, and Axel is bailed out yet again.
Now, if Axel were merely concerned about covering his butt and taking care of his debts, the film would end right there. Axel should have learned his lesson. But that's not what this film is about. Axel, having failed to achieve his desire to destroy himself, decides to pick up a prostitute in a dangerous neighborhood. He gets into an argument with her pimp. Rather than be intimidated by the pimp when he wields a knife, Axel holds the knife up to his own throat. Axel has been unconsciously seeking self-destruction in the film, via gambling, and has failed in his objective. Now, he gets what he wants -- the pimp slashes his face, and Axel looks at himself in the mirror, and through the blood, he smiles.
OK, so why does Axel seek self-destruction? Because, he has had everything handed to him on a silver platter, and he wants to start out at the bottom, like his grandfather did. This is his way of testing his mettle, proving his manhood -- earning his stripes (in the visual form of a scar across his face).
In addition, Axel is a self-loathing gambling addict, and quite often addicts (be they drug addicts or alcoholics) seek unconcsiously to hit the bottom, to create a catastrophe that will force them to solve their problem. Obviously this is an unhealthy way to deal with your personality issues, but Axel is a very sick man.
I also have a theory that Axel is an aspring novelist who wants to test the boundaries of experience, so that he can come back from the edge (or even go beyond the edge of reason and civlization) in order to have something to write about. There is a tradition in American literature, from Hemingway to Mailer, of writers getting themselves into intense situations so they can write about it (example, Hemingway going to Europe during WWI). When Axel accompanies Carmine on a visit to a guy who owes money, Axel isn't intimidated by Carmine's vicious behavior. Axel has a journalistic detachment, as he takes Carmine's pulse after Carmine beats up the deadbeat.
This is a complex film, and I have had long discussions with friends who have seen it and don't understand why Axel is so perversely self-destructive. In the parlance of psychotherapy, Axel is a deeply troubled man with unresolved issues, and the manner in which he resolves his deep-seated issues is, obviously, hazardous to his health.
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Some good analyses here. I agree that Axel was not at first self-destructive, however, by take is this. He felt so bad about corrupting the kid that he does that suicidal thing at the end. But if he was REALLY self-destructive he would have NOT asked the kid to shave points. Anyway, the film was ambiguous, but that isn't necessarily a good thing. The film's strength is that it keeps the tension of gambling going for the whole film. I never understand why gambling addicts don't quit while they're ahead.
For who would bear the whips and scorns of Hollywood... (;-p)
Read fluffer's excellent analysis right above your post.
It explains the basic point of the movie and Axel's actions.
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The pimp doesn't slash his face though. He proceeds to beat up the pimp after the pimp won't kill him. The prostitute is the one who slashes his face.
shareOops, you're right. I haven't seen the film in a few years, and I forgot this little detail.
shareFluffer, your analysis is right to a great extent but I don't think he's deliberately trying to self destruct; and if that were the case, then why would he be worried about trying to get the money to pay off to a couple of sharks, why wouldn't he just let them incapacitate him (or whatever) if he's really looking forward to getting destroyed? Or are you talking about his "self-destruction" from a different angle?
My own theory is quite similar to yours but here it goes:
Axel didn't like to gamble just for the monetary aspect, he did it because he also liked the thrill of being in a risky situation. He enjoyed gambling with his own wellbeing, the end of the movie pretty much proves this
He was owing the mob a huge sum of money and even when his mother gave him the money to pay it off, what does he do?, he gambles the money and loses it (putting him back in the same predicament he started out with). His mother handing him the money to pay off his debt was way too easy and he was looking for a much harder means to get the money than just simply having a relative hand it to him, there wouldn't be no challenge in that, hence no fun (or juice as Axel nicely put it). To Axel, being in danger is like playing a video game.
Like at the end when he goes to one of the most dangerous neighborhoods of Black American's, he meets up with a black prostitute, pays her money for pleasure and than takes the money back from her after she wouldn't show him what he wanted to see (which HE himself knew was the rule of a prostitute before he even paid her the money). So he takes the money back from the prostitute deliberately just to dare her pimp and see if he would attack him (and of course, Axel probably knew that the pimp WOULD attack him for doing that). Notice Axel had somewhat of a smirk on his face when the pimp stuck his head through the door to see what was going on? Axel deliberately wanted to be in trouble with the pimp and to see if he would be able to survive the situation.
Though he still survives the situation with the pimp, he's not entirely unscathed; he ends up with a cut on his face given to him by the black prostitute. Axel then looks at his cut in the mirror and starts smiling with satisfaction; so my take on this little mystery is: he's satisfied that he has once again proven how invincible he is and that whatever situation he's in, he will always survive, no matter the cost of the survival (even if it means him getting scarred or injured in the process). He smiles about the cut on his face because it excites him about the kind of situation he was just in and the challenge he had to go through to survive it.
I think you're on the right track there. Axel does enjoy high risk situations, even in non-wagering situations. Perhaps he's not as self-destructive as I thought, but rather wants to test his limits.
shareI disagree with fluffer, self destruction is not the reason for his actions, not at all.
Axel is a delusional man, thinking he has some insight and power to control his luck and causality in his life. He also convinces himself that all the losing and all the bad luck was created by him intentionally, that when he wants he can make it "sure thing", but he also likes the possibility of losing, so he sometimes loses on purpose.
This is of course not true, this is just excuses and delusional thoughts of his sick mind, mind of the addict, obsessed gambler. There is no way he is looking for self destruction, all the dangerous situations he is getting himself into is just to proof to himself he is in control of his own life, that he decides how it's going to end, like he is some kind of a character in his own book, and real life is just a story that he is writing.
In my opinion, such behavior indicates fear of death. By trying to convince himself he is in control, by trying to deny the random and accidental elements of reality, he is trying to overcome death, like it's something that can be avoided by power of will.
He was owing the mob a huge sum of money and even when his mother gave him the money to pay it off, what does he do?, he gambles the money and loses it (putting him back in the same predicament he started out with). His mother handing him the money to pay off his debt was way too easy and he was looking for a much harder means to get the money than just simply having a relative hand it to him, there wouldn't be no challenge in that, hence no fun (or juice as Axel nicely put it). To Axel, being in danger is like playing a video game.
Like at the end when he goes to one of the most dangerous neighborhoods of Black American's, he meets up with a black prostitute, pays her money for pleasure and than takes the money back from her after she wouldn't show him what he wanted to see (which HE himself knew was the rule of a prostitute before he even paid her the money). So he takes the money back from the prostitute deliberately just to dare her pimp and see if he would attack him (and of course, Axel probably knew that the pimp WOULD attack him for doing that). Notice Axel had somewhat of a smirk on his face when the pimp stuck his head through the door to see what was going on? Axel deliberately wanted to be in trouble with the pimp and to see if he would be able to survive the situation.
Yours is the best take in this thread IMO. He is an adrenaline junkie (we see this in his crazy driving too).
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Davesoprano has the best analysis of Thief. Axel wasn't so much self destructive as he was addicted to "the juice." There may be a line in the film about the juice, but it's been a long time since I've seen it I can't remember.
He put himself in extreme situations to test his mettle. Smiling at his slashed face meant, "I did it, I survived." To Axel the slash and eventual scar would be "proud flesh."
I read an interesting article that discussed how the ending with the physical injury is a counterpoint to the relationship with Lauren Hutton.
shareThere is no resolution because James Caan is a psychopath - a remorseless crook. The ending makes sense.
shareI agree with most users' analysis here but Alex is certainly not a psychopath; he is, however, a troubled person with an addictive, self-destructive personality. Still, that doesn't make him a psychopath: he is not even a real criminal per se nor does he demonstrates any profound deviant/criminal values. Granted, he is selfish in his addiction, but the one person he is constantly hurting in the process is more himself than any other person. He can still feel remorses and guilt, as you can see in several scenes, but his addiction to gambling and to risk in general is even more powerful than any other thing in his life in the end. And as far as we see, the guy is not totally oblivious to other people around him nor does he try to manipulate people all the times by lying to them. Compulsive lying, recurrent manipulation, superficial emotional display, absence of remorse/guilt and disregard for other people's feelings and well-being are amongst key indicators of psychopathy, and Axel barely corresponds to those elements. Therefore, he is certainly not a psychopath if you ask me.
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Just my 2-cents:
A lot of what has been said here makes sense to me, but I will agree with those who say Axel is not self-destructive. He is self-delusional, for reasons unexplained in the film. He actually gets a charge of losing bets, because he is convinced he knows he will lose. You'll note that he gets angry not so much at losing any bets, but at others who badger him for payment, or with the girlfriend who questions him too much. Axel plays this game with himself over and over. But the big change comes when he is forced to compromise another person, an "innocent",namely Spencer his student basketball player. Spencer does his bidding, and is now tainted. As the Sorvino character says, Spencer will do it again now that he's inducted into the cheating game. This is why Axel stares into space when the basketball game goes his way, he is disheartened to realize he has poisoned another's life, that of a smart young man with potential. But perhaps even more important--he got out of his latest predicament and there is no thrill. So he heads for what he thinks will be his ultimate bet: he really thinks the pimp will kill him. At bottom, Axel certainly must believe he deserves to die. When the pimp hesitates, Axel flies off the handle and beats the pimp. It's too late for that punishment now, but the prostitute gives him a scar, a visible sign of his guilt. Will he stop his depraved game now? It's anyone's guess, but his smile at the end suggests the losing game is not over, Axel will likely pull himself further downward until he finds annihilation.
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Well definitely the ending showed that Axel wanted to die IMO. I don't believe he wanted to destroy himself thru gambling in the beginning of the film because the gambling DID give him an orgasm greater than sex like heroin does to a junkie.
I think when Hips lets him know that the mob will never let the basketball player go because they will continue to make money off of him throwing games, Axel realizes he just inadvertently ruined the kid's life. This is the tipping point when Axel wants to commit suicide by pimp.
Lots of good points raised. I agree with the person who called him an adrenalin junkie.
Also, the moral compromising of the cheating is a factor. (Anyone read Henry Hill's Wiseguy? He was involved in the Boston College cheating scandal from the mid-70s. Just as in the movie, the players not in on the fix picked up the pace, so that they still blew the spread.)
I thought that when he looked at his scar in the mirror at the end, he was smiling, digging it as a badge of honor like a dueling scar.
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In my opinion, he knows that the basketball player will be willing to cheat from now on, as Hips said, "once you're not a virgin anymore, you're a whore." He knew that he had him on the take so even if he got down gambling, he could get out of it, so there goes the rush. He had to find other types of behavior to get his blood going.
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