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What have you learned from this series?


I've read most of the posts related to this magnificent series. What was lacking in this Series , students' shocking ignorance, etc, etc. Many good posts and observations.

I'm a baby boomer, born just after the War in 1946, in Tokyo (my Father was Colonel in the U.S. occupation forces and had my Mother and my 4 year old Sister come over from the States). Why do I mention this? I lived with the after effects (as do ALL of us) of the war and the stories related to me by my Father (he served with Patton's 3rd Army and with MacArthur).

What were the after effects? (quoted from Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_World_War_II)
"Many millions of lives had been lost as a result of the war. Germany was divided into four quadrants, which were controlled by the Allied Powers — the United States, Great Britain, France, and the Soviet Union. and itself was one of the survivors. The war can be identified to varying degrees as the catalyst for many continental, national and local phenomena, such as the redrawing of European borders, the birth of the United Kingdom's welfare state, the communist takeover of China and Eastern Europe, the creation of Israel, and the division of Germany and Korea and later of Vietnam. In addition, many organizations have roots in the Second World War; for example, the United Nations, the World Bank, the World Trade Organization, and the International Monetary Fund. Technologies, such as nuclear fission, the electronic computer and the jet engine, also appeared during this period."

"A multi polar world was replaced by a bipolar one dominated by the two most powerful victors, the United States and Soviet Union, which became known as the superpowers."

I first watched the series with my Dad. He was rather reluctant to watch. I think he was afraid of the memories in would bring back. He had seen the horrors of the war. Especially when he had come upon the first of many concentration camps. But he also felt it was important for me to watch and learn. Also, as a Vietnam Veteran, I was curious to learn the history that eventually lead to Vietnam. The subject of WWII was very well covered when I went to school in the 50's and into the 60's (as in one of the aforementioned posts, apparently and sadly not very well covered today).

When viewing the last episode, "Remember", my Dad started to cry. I had never seen him cry before, but I understood.

He then repeated a quote to me from "George Santayana"
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

He also told me that, "Wars are won by the side that makes the fewest mistakes"

This series should be required viewing in schools around the world. All of the episodes, including #20, "Genocide"


So the question is "What have you learned from this series?"

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I think for anyone who was not actually a history major (like I) the series is full of information. Most of us 1946 baby boomers were always exposed to the big facts of the war during our childhood because it had just taken place. The horrors of "the War" were always fresh in our memories, as it were. Our childhoods were inundated with war movies in the '50's, peppered with commentary by Dad.

But the series, that I have been watching on the Military Channel via DVR, is full of small details that I had never known. In fact, my guess is that your father and my father (both armor cavalry, sounds like) would not have known about the small details either. They certain could not have been history majors in school and studied WWII! And they were certainly rather busy dwelling on the details of their own lives during World War II -- just trying to keep their lives.

I don't know about your father, but mine never went back to Europe again after the War. My mother went several times, but not my father. Of course, I know why; there were just too many bad memories to relive by visiting even a peacetime Europe.

My father has been gone now 20 years (come this Labor Day), but I am quite sure he never saw this 1973 gigantic undertaking when it first came out. I never had either. But as bad as television is by and large, in the final analysis, when things like this come along, one has to admit that television does have its redeming qualities sometimes.

And, yes, I would have liked to have been able to watch this series with my father. I would have had the remote in hand, so I could pause and ask questions. It would have driven him crazy.

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I'm a post boomer, and I thought I knew a lot about WW2. This series, which is completely excellent, proved me wrong.

And what I learned? Tons. Off the top of my head, from the opener, the destruction of the French village of Oradour-sur-Glane. That footage, and Olivier's matchless narration, haunts me still.

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I have not seen this series since I saw it on TV in the mid-1970s. Even though I don't remember as much of it now as I did then, I still did learn a lot from it.

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Don't f#ck with Winston Churchill or George Patton!!! And, Hitler was a dope for the most part. If he had attacked England right after Dunkirk we might be speaking German today. This is a wonderful series that still plays very well today. Well done BBC!

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The world owes a great deal to the brits and the yanks, canucks and aussies. Sorry, but it has to be said. Had the English speaking peoples of the world not stood and fought Nazi germany and imperial Japan, the world today would be much nastier.

No p.c. left winger is gonna change my mind on this point!

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Did you actually watch the series?

It doesn't seem like it ...

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yup, you sure know your history.. only the white english speaking people beat the germans alone.

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As much as you speak French today after the Normand conquered you.
But ok, you speak a Germanic language because the Saxons (amongst others - bt also of Germanic origin) invaded you, wiped the Britons out and established a Germanic rule. But even the Normands were of Germanic origin albeit speaking a Romance language.

You are - so to speak - Germans in denial.

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Only the losers committed war-crimes.

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One of the many things I learned, as I posted in a separate thread, was that at least some of the Japanese were so deluded and/or brainwashed that they still thought 30 years after the fact that the "comfort women" were spreading their legs of their own free will and were not forced into a life of prostitution by the Japanese government and generals.

I also did not know about the French village that is shown in the first and last eps that was never rebuilt after all of the residents (save for a handful that escaped) were murdered.


And for the moron that posted that only the losers commited atrocities, as I pointed out in the above mentioned thread they (along with the Russians) were the governments that encouraged it while the western allied governments did punish their soldiers that were convicted of rapes etc. and certainly did not encourage or condone such actions as the Japanese, German and Russian governments overtly did. Only fools cannot understand the difference, hence we have yet another fool on the board.


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And for the moron that posted that only the losers commited atrocities, as I pointed out in the above mentioned thread they (along with the Russians) were the governments that encouraged it while the western allied governments did punish their soldiers that were convicted of rapes etc. and certainly did not encourage or condone such actions as the Japanese, German and Russian governments overtly did. Only fools cannot understand the difference, hence we have yet another fool on the board.


Clearly you took the poster far too literally.

There are many people who today believe that people like Sir Arthur Harris, Sir Charles Portal and General Curtis Le May could easily have been tried for war crimes because of their bombing philosophy.

They were advocates of the bomber philosophy, so prevalent in the 1930s. This was a hangover from the Douhet Theorem, also advocated by Lord Trenchard (who founded the RAF) and Billy Mitchell in the US.

Broadly speaking, it meant that a country could win a war cheaply and efficiently by bombing the civilian population into submission or revolt. The events of Guernica in the Spanish Civil War only emboldened these people.

At the beginning of WWII, Britain had no means of achieving pin point attacks at night. You may recall Group Captain Hamish Mahaddie saying that only 3% of bombs dropped got within 5 miles of their target. The War Ministry, faced with a public demanding retribution for London and Coventry, could no longer contain people like Harris, who believed that the only way to win the war was to bomb, bomb and bomb.

And that meant making war on civilians, a contradiction of the Geneva Convention. The problem is that this part of the Geneva Convention did not exist until 1949 so it could only be done retrospectively.

Portal, who was Harris' boss, made no attempt to stop him and there were many raids which were carried out for no real purpose other than that they were on Harris' list of towns - a list based on size rather than direct contribution to the German war effort.

Le May exercised the same philosophy on Japan. High explosive followed by incendiaries. Whole cities, like Sendai, were wiped out in a single day by Le May's raiders.

Now, I'm not saying that these people should have been tried, only that a prima facie case exists.

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10 of many learnings in no particular order....

1) How Ike was been the best people manager of all time.....Getting Patton to work with Montgomery must have been a nightmare.

2) El Alamein was crucial...not some obscure skirmish in the sand.

3) Tactics win battles, strategy wins wars, Eh Adolf??!!

4) Although it's from a British perspective it's scale was just phenominal...it is a model for excellence in documentary making.

5) I saw it first in 1973 - and it gave me a passion for history. I remember my shock at the #20 Genocide, I was 11 years old then, my mother couldn't watch it.

6) The cunning of Stalin

7) The unbelievable resilience of the ordinary Russian soldier

8) The bravery of the boys in Bomber Command and USAAF going deep into Germany in the earlier days without fighter escort

9) The helplessness of German civilians who at this stage thought Hitler had to go but were helpless.

10) War is a miserable business

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Good post.

Your first point is especially insightful. I don't know about "Ike was been the best people manager of all time" but that was leadership of the highest order.

The only rider I would add is that the Battle of El Alamein was won at least a year earlier. It just wasn't fought until late 1942.

The battle plans were actually drawn up by Dorman Smith who was working for Auchinleck but Churchill had no faith in either of them and would not commit resources until Montgomery had been put in charge. Mongomery's plan, which he brandished for the cameras, was in fact, Dorman Smith's.

In his original memoirs, Montgomery claimed credit for the plan but was threatened with a law suit by Dorman Smith if this was not withdrawn.

Mongomery withdrew his claim.

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nothing learned everything in battlefield series already. this series was not very accurate and failed to mention a lot of things. in the north africa episode they totally forgot to mention the air force. The narrator also claimed that tobruk holding out was a symbol of the British as Churchill's bulldog face was. in fact tobruk was not held by the British. It was the Australians who defended it. But it was good entertainment to watch.

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You get an understanding of why WW2 happened. How WW1 was not settled properly and allowed Hitler to grow to power by the weakness of people to be manipulated into seeking revenge and selfish but delusional glory through nationalism. Hitler really was an ultra-nationalist. You get a sense that he cared a lot about Germany, to a point that it crossed the edge of the field, rather than just passing the line.

Maybe I'm simplifying it too much, but there's a lot more to it.

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