Terrible Movie...


...even by 1973 standards. Not that that is any excuse. Anyone else think so?

You had me at 'Heil.'

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What was your idea of a good movie, Twilight? Sad how ignorant some are these days. Soylent Green was staggering for it's time and still holds up today. They may have gotten the dates wrong by 50 years but we are likely facing that future. Soylent Green still is in my top ten list of all time scifi films and will likely always be. The very fact you don't "get it" cements the likelihood that it IS our future. Another poster said basically what's so bad about cannibalism? We are so very screwed!

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I saw this fine movie back in 1973 with WESTWORLD, as a great double feature.

Thank God I was born in 1962 and not in the 'Nuthin 'Nineties, or the 2000's. (Or "Zeroes", as I like to call them).

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i got this in the charlton heston collection movie box, i had no idea there would be loads of extra material. i think tcm used to air this along with "omega man" some time ago, i used to get them confused with each other (omega man is also featured in the box b.t.w), and back then i hadn't seen much of edward g. robinson, but after seeing him in key largo, that has become one of my favorite movie performances ever, and the wiseguy line in this made me right off think of that movie "what's worse, curley? a dumbell or a... wise guy?". the most memorable scene of this i thought was when robinson has picked orange as his favorite colour and heston breaks in and they both get to see how the world used be, i thought that was just someone looking like dick van patten, seems strange they would use someone that well known in such a part, but same thing happened in earthquake with walter matthau. notice in the end credits someone billed as "fat guard". still, i can't get enough of "the omega man" movie and i'm glad that's the one tcm still airs.



saw money and evil in your eye,
didnt feel right having you around,
when you melted down,
not a coin could be found,
as you reached your hand out,
and melted me down.



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I say let's start now. There are plenty out there who would make better crackers than people. Welfare would become a thing of the past.

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Hell no.

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Of course, there aren't really any truly effective "this art is good or bad" police, general audiences vote with their dollars, energy & time. Perhaps it's not a mere coincidence that the band Kiss has truly outlived its critics - and the band launched in 1973, the same year this film came out. And they were from New York as well...

Who really cares if anyone loves or hates the film?

It has a few limitations, even for 1973 - and there are only six years (at the time that I'm writing this Post) until 2022. Unlikely that the acceleration of a major decline as depicted will occur.

I always find it amusing that Det. Thorn doesn't remember that the world was significantly better, there are ample remnants of the older, better world in plain sight in the film's world and scenes. Heston was no younger than 48, and likely 50 in 1973 when the film was released - meaning that his character would have been born in about 1972 when there were ample supplies of everything with the added ecological issues presented. His character would be more aware, perhaps less than his roommate Sol, but still he would know what Sol knows about the past.

Anyway, the poster art implied a more horrifying, advanced world & promised better than the film could visually deliver (probably couldn't have pulled it off in 1973):

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_W3bLkLDR-6o/S743UZ8g1JI/AAAAAAAAF4I/rbjLHG5Ea_c/s1600/Copia+de+Soylent_Green.jpg

Instead we got this, still a pretty awful dystopian future. SG Scoops in action, not as "futuristic" or technologically advanced as the artwork depicts, but no less effective in demonstrating the extent to which man's inhumanity to man can escalate to:

http://www.technovelgy.com/graphics/content07/soylent-green-scoops.jpg

But here's something to consider, that renders the film visionary in scope and it still stands as a terrible, if dated, warning:

If we don't choose to exercise a balance of free markets vs regulation, stewardship of natural resources vs unrealistic, infinite growth in a finite world of dwindling natural resources, then the premise of Soylent Green will come to pass at some point in human history.

The opening montage, though using real photos from recent history at the time, ultimately seeks to paint a picture of a non-existent society in which infinite free market growth goes unchecked and unregulated, with the government in bed with the corporations, and the result is an acceleration of population growth and consumption exceeding natural resources and production, and exacerbated by pollution and the greenhouse effect/global warming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AlVczvB4FQk

It is arguable that the world as they knew it in 1973 would indeed have degenerated into the horrible prediction for 2022 it depicts if not for technological advancement, public awareness, regulation, and good old fashioned faith of people.

Thus, the film has a realistic element to it, because the trajectory based on 1973 standards was a possibility, and if the awful future reality were to manifest, the less impressive scoop scenes (compared to the poster artwork) would be even more horrifying if a reality in our time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-wa4U6TQlNI


Perhaps I've said too much above, but I wanted to at least share some of the justifications for the value of a "warning fable" movie.

I must disagree with the OP. The film, though horribly dated by today's standards, and campy even for 1973 standards, actually stands as a classic science fiction story, perhaps more relevant than Star Wars which came out just a few years later.


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The movie looked VERY 1973! All the hair and clothing styles screamed that era. And the murdered CEO's apartment looked thoroughly upper middle class 1973 with the beaded curtains, yellow appliances, frosted shower doors, popcorn walls and ceilings, plastic décor, furry comforters, formica counters, etc. That's what got this movie to look bad to a lot of people. Rollerball was made only 2 years after this, yet even today it does not have a tacky 70's vibe to it.

This NYC of the future was spoosed to be almost completely run-down and unlivable, yet when you see Gilbert breaking into Simonsen's apartment, you see a matte painting of a pretty futuristic skyline.

And finally, at the time this made, there was a tremendous fear of lack of resources, pollution, and perceived energy crisis.

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- All good points.

I think that the budget was extremely limited, thus creating an unbalanced scenario where they likely wanted to present an even more horrifying world with greater technological advancement juxtaposed to a crumbling, dying, abandoned, overpopulated, "lower class" of people left to feed off of the dead as the richer, advantaged, and privileged unfairly get the real, good stuff.

This NYC of the future was spoosed to be almost completely run-down and unlivable, yet when you see Gilbert breaking into Simonsen's apartment, you see a matte painting of a pretty futuristic skyline.


From the trivia: "Among the buildings in the matte "skyline" in the nighttime background of future New York City in the scene where Gilbert crosses the drainage ditch, one can see the Marina City towers (Chicago) and the Transamerica Pyramid (San Francisco)."

- An example of the imbalances created from a low budget.

Also, that poster for the film has much more advanced and wider looking "scoops" compared to the 1972 era front loaders, really just garbage trucks, used in the film. Also, the city presented in the poster art looks more advanced as well.

So, I think that they struggled with the desire to present a more futuristic and technologically advanced world while simultaneously showing the feared result of such advancement when the population grows out of control, the pollution decimates the environment, the greenhouse effect traps the pollution in, and it is increasingly difficult to manage life in this potential scenario that was a major concern in those days.


Rollerball was made only 2 years after this, yet even today it does not have a tacky 70's vibe to it.


- Yes it does, it has a pseudo-futuristic seventies style version of the future. Even Star Wars looks dated with the hair and clothes.


...at the time this made, there was a tremendous fear of lack of resources, pollution, and perceived energy crisis.


- On this we 100% agree, the awareness created from films like this is certainly worthy of consideration, regardless of the technical quality.




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It's pretty good, imo.

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I love Charleton Heston but this movie left a lot to be desired. Especially watching it 43 years later. It's very, very dated and doesn't appear to be futuristic at all. I've heard about this movie for years but tonight was the first time I watched it when I saw it was on Netflix.

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this movie left a lot to be desired
It was barely interesting. I guess it was good for it's time.

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