Plot questions


After watching this great flic twice I'm still confused about the story line.

1. What was the significance of the ledger full of photos that Buddy carried around? It seemed to contain photos of all the gangsters who had been kidnapped.

2. Why did Vito and the other hoods make Carmine drive the car containing the cop Ansel in the trunk back to the car wash. There was dialogue that they wanted to send a message to the kidnappers but I still don't get it. Yes, I understand that they thought Ansel was one of the kidnappers but what was Carmine going to achieve by driving his car through the car wash with the cop trapped in the trunk.

Appreciate answers to the above.

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I don't think there's an answer for the second question (it is illogical for Coltello to drive the car with the wounded cop in it).

As to Buddy's memo book with the mug photos, I think it suggests those are suspects in ongoing investigations in the "Seven-ups" unit. For detectives, cases are in various states of development. Sometimes there's not enough evidence to make an arrest, so they'll wait for a break. In the movie, a line by Buddy's boss suggests as much: "Festa's name came up on a wiretap," which means during a police surveillance (and probably an arrest) in an unrelated case, Festa, who's in the Seven-Ups caseload, was peripherally involved with the unrelated case. The chief suggests to Buddy to pick up on the Festa lead and put it on the front burner.

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1. What was the significance of the ledger full of photos that Buddy carried around? It seemed to contain photos of all the gangsters who had been kidnapped.

It's my opinion that the book is a mini-mugshot book. It would contain the most "hot" perps. Being that Buddy is on the 7-Ups, it would stand to reason that he'd want to carry it with, so there is no mistake who is who when the pinch goes down.


2. Why did Vito and the other hoods make Carmine drive the car containing the cop Ansel in the trunk back to the car wash. There was dialogue that they wanted to send a message to the kidnappers but I still don't get it. Yes, I understand that they thought Ansel was one of the kidnappers but what was Carmine going to achieve by driving his car through the car wash with the cop trapped in the trunk.

One of two reasons :

(A) Stall for time/lose a tail.

(B) Perhaps Carmine was the decoy, or in the very least someone that would be important to pinch? Follow the other biggies...

What say you?

PS - I love this movie. I can't wait to get the DVD version - FINALLY, someone' heard my prayers. I've got the original VHS still in the box. :)

Here's some trivia - don't they go through 11x Street, and over the GWB towards Fort Lee, NJ?

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1.)The book that Buddy has is his "bible" of all the bad guys that he's after in his district. It's his way of keeping tabs on them.

2.) This is something I never did understand until recently.

First you must understand that the two kidnappers (Bo and Moon) are impersonating cops.

Second, the funeral in the movie is for Carmine Cotello's brother who is also the kidnapped Festa's partner.

Now remember earlier in the movie, when Max Kalish is kidnapped for ransom, 2 of Kalish's guy's (one named Bobby) take Max's car (a Lincoln with suicide rear doors) to the car wash with the payment in the trunk as instructed by the kidnappers. Bo and Moon, (the kidnappers) then handcuff the doors and then pry open the trunk and remove the ransom money.

Then when Carmine Cotello drives his Pontiac to the car wash during the funeral, it's supposed to be the same type of thing. Payment for Festa, (who is the latest kidnapped wise-guy who the Seven-Ups are watching for at the funeral), is supposed to be in the trunk of Carmine's Pontiac. Bo and Moon do not handcuff the doors and pry open the trunk because the car's door handles are different than those of Max's Lincoln.

When the mob guys found out Ansel is a cop at the Cotello funeral, (believing that Ansel was involved in the kidnappings) they decide to send him in the trunk of Carmine's car as a message instead of the ransom for Festa. Several victims of the kidnappers are named here in this scene.

Then at the car wash, Moon gets in the car with Carmine and forces him to drive into the garage where Ansel is shot by Bo with the shotgun, unwittingly, I might add, and later dies.

Bo and Moon are expecting ransom money in the trunk of Carmine's car, and before they open it, they realize something is up by the way Carmine is acting, so when he runs away, they shoot Carmine and then shoot the trunk of Carmine's car in the garage scene. Bo shoots the trunk of the car to open it, not knowing anyone is inside.

The last time I watched The Seven-Ups, I didn't understand this either, so I went back and listened to all the dialogue in those scenes to figure it out just recently.

This is a major flaw in the film IMO. It's not pointed out clearly for the audience as to what's going on exactly. The only real clue is the dialogue in the garage scene when Carmine Cotello says to Bo and Moon, "You know who I am?, I came to make a deal for Festa." But obviously things do not go as planned for anyone, Carmine, the kidnappers and especially Ansel and the Seven-Ups.

And then I also wonder why Carmine was the one to go with Ansel in the trunk. Why wouldn't he go on to the cemetery for his own brother's funeral? They could have sent someone else. Like Festa's son for example.

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Thanks tdf5g for the explanation. I think you've got it scoped out correctly. Agree with you that this part of the plot was a little too confusing.

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Your welcome, sorry my reply was a little long winded.

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It wasn't long winded at all. This part had me baffled as well. I don't know where Hollywood got the idea that you can open a trunk by shooting at it. All you do is put holes in it.

Also, in the car chase scene: if you do manage to hit the hood latch on a car and it opens, (which it won't, since there is always a secondary latch) it won't fly off the car. Rather, it would fold back (if you're going fast enough) and obscure the windshield.

Hollywood...

Thanks again, for the reply. It saved me having to watch it again.

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