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African Animals bad, Western/livestock/ animals good?


Maybe it's just the notorious appearance of deadly animals in africa but i noticed the majority of them are based on where they are from..of course with the exception of the Sherrif of Nottingham (who is a wolf and are not native to africa) and King Richard the lionhearted (obvious)...let me break it down for you

Bad:

Hippo
Rhinoceros
Crocodile
Tiger
Snake
vulture
Rooster

Good:

Chickens (ok there are chickens everywhere but it's an agricultural stock moreover)
Rabbits (european physique)
Bears
Owl
Pigs
Badgers
Raccoons
Dogs

dunno it just occured to me but i amy be a coincidence after all... African animals seem more physically threatening...

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There are several things wrong with your data. For starters, the rooster featured in the film, I forget his name, was not one of the 'bad' guys. Second, neither snakes nor tigers are natives of Africa; tigers are native to the southern regions of Asia, and snakes are all over the continents. If African/Asian animals are more threatening, it is only because they're not domesticated like farm animals in European nations, nor used to the interfering presence of man-kind.

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If African/Asian animals are more threatening, it is only because they're not domesticated like farm animals in European nations, nor used to the interfering presence of man-kind.

Not to mention they're hella bigger and stronger.


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Well, I'd still prefer to come across a cow rather than a scorpion or something.

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True but not really applicable here...

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Ok...

When you think of scary and bad animals what do you think of?
You think of Crocodiles, Tigers, Snakes.
When you think of good animals you think of, Rabbits, Pigs, chickens, Dogs.


Hippo VS Chicken... I would want to hang around the chicken.
Rhinoceros VS Rabbit... The rabbit seems more friendly.
Crocodile VS Bear... I guess I wouldn't want to be around either..
Tiger VS Owl... Owl.
Snake VS Pig... Pig.
Vulture VS Badger... Badger

and as mentioned Tigers are native to Asia.


--also as mentioned, The Rooster wasn't a villain.--

So this was entirely coincidental.

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I have heard this argument before and it falls apart on a number of levels.

Firstly, not all the bad characters are African animals. Their are wolves for a start and Sir Hiss the snake isn't specifically an african animal.

Secondly, not all the african animals are bad. I would believe most would associate tortoises with Africa and yet the tortoise is one of the good characters. Also the hippos, rhinos and elephants aren't exactly bad characters. They're merely soldiers doing their job. King Richard is both a lion and a good character.

Thirdly, it's also clear that most of the animals were chosen to play certain characters becasue of what they are associated with. Richard the lionheart must obviously be a lion, which means King John has to be too. Lions have long been associated with the English throne anyway.
The hippos/rhinos/elephants were obvously chosen to be guards and soldiers because of their size. Lady Cluck is a chicken because she is supposed to be a 'mother hen' type, Little John is a bear because he had to be a very large animal, Robin Hood is a fox because he's supposed to be cunning and crafty. The sheriff of nottingham is the 'big, bad wolf' preying on the innocent mice and rabbits and Sir Hiss is a snake because he's supposed to be sneaky and untrustworthy.

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i dunno about associating chickens and pigs as being good not to mention they end up straight in our plates or exterminate an entire population with disease.

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You're right, Kaynobi, that the argument doesn't hold up at all. I think they just chose animals based on the most obvious assumption to what fits the character. Africa has a large, distinct population of a variety of wild animals compared to say "Western" animals which are mostly just domesticated animals which are going to seem friendlier than carnivores.

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There are no tigers in this movie, are there? There are two lions though, and even if one of them (prince John) is the main villain, you have admitted yourself that the other one (king Richard) is an exception to your rule. And I don't think there are any pigs either? Brother Tuck was originally supposed to be a pig, but they changed him into a badger.

And furthermore, like other people have mentioned already, I don't see how you could miss that the rooster was one of the good characters. And as for the rhinos, the elephants and the vulture, they were just soldiers doing their job.

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The main baddie is a Wolf, which comes from many continents. Plus both Prince John, and King Richard are Lions (one bad, one good) so the argument of this thread completely falls apart.

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1. There are no tigers or pigs in the movie
2. The are vultures everywhere and snakes everywhere except Ireland
3. The rooster's a good guy
4. The sheriff's a wolf, not many of those in Africa

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Since when was the rooster (Alan-a-Dale) a bad guy?

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I get what you are saying, but it does seem to be coincidental that they are mainly African animals to me, as nothing else really gets played up to show some sort of symbolism.

If they were going for more physically threatening animals in general, I also think they would have placed the bears and roosters the other way around. A rooster feels like it is less likely to attack and make significant damage like a bear would.

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Roosters are male chickens (COCK-a-doodle-doo). The females are called HENS (the ones that lay eggs). Chickens originated in Southeast Asia.

Oh, and as others said, the rooster was a good guy.

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