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I wondered what Brit posters (particularly) thought of this:

Every building in the film is a 'new' building; the town itself appears to have all the features of a 'New Town'; the school is new, the police station is new (and being worked on throughout the film) and the hospital is new. The time of the film - the early 70s - was at the end of a considerable period of urban regneration that wound up in some of the most significant occurrences of political corruption and bribery that the UK had seen until that date. New towns and new builds all over the country involving dodgy architects and builders and corrupt politicians.

What's my point here? I'm working through this really - but is the architecture a motif in the movie? I feel that Lumet is showing that modern Britain (in 1972) - symbolised in new buildings and new towns - is still mired in the mirk of old Britain but without the sense of community, of togetherness, that was unavoidable with old towns and back-to-back housing. Note how, when the girl is taken after school, the old lady is in the middle distance and hurrying home to her housing estate - she does nothing for several hours. In the 'golden olden' days, there simply weren't those sorts of urban features (fly-overs, open space) in Britain; that sort of crime couldn't have happened in that particular way.

In short - is the movie a critique on modernity?

Well, thoughts and ramblings.....


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Well bad things of that kind happened and still happen in areas that aren't in any way modern, in fact my own niece was almost a victim back in 1990 when she and her friend were attacked a mere few hundred feet away from some terraced houses in our traditional Welsh Valley.

I imagine the filmakers were just using the then new and shiny modernist locations in a way to say that people have progressed and yet evil nasty things still can happen. Or you can give people better housing and lifestyles, but it doesn't always turn them into better people though?

As for the modernist/concrete/tower block revolution, well the brakes were put on after the Ronan Point disaster of 1968. It seemed the quickly and cheaply constructed "system built" Tower Block was flawed and it took a minor gas explosion to prove that.

Still we're now entering a new phase of modernisation here in Great Britain and High Rise aparments are very much back in vogue. But their not council, no their for inner city business folk and several Tower Blocks have been constructed in the city centre of Cardiff a mere 30 miles away from me.

In fact if you watch the Doctor Who spin-off series "Torchwood", you'll see the main character standing on top of one such apartment block called "Alto lusso".

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The exteriors of 'The Offence' were filmed in Bracknell in 1971. I watched some of the filming in Wildridings (council estate). I lived in Wildridings from 1967 until 1979. Bracknell was one of a number of satellite 'new towns' built around London to take people out of deprived housing in London and put them in a far 'better' environment. In the sixties, people who came to Bracknell to work in the new industries there were offered their choice of council houses, most of which had been constructed no earlier than the 1950's - abolsutely no problem finding a home in those days. When we first moved to Bracknell it still had a lot of its original charm - the old High Street still had all the stores that had been there for many years and there was a sense of community about the place. At the time Lumet was filming The Offence, Bracknell was beginning to expand rapidly. The old High Street was being rebuilt and more housing estates were being contructed. By the end of the 1970's Bracknell was very different from when I moved there. So many people had moved in and the infrastructure expanded and redeveloped so rapidly that it had become a very souless place with a rapidly rising crime rate. I left Bracknell in 1997 and I was very glad to get out. The point I'm making is that Lumet's portrayel of Bracknell as an example of the failure of the 'new town' experiment is ironic considering that the Bracknell of 1971 could be considered paradise compared to what it evolved into.

Also check out Richard Burton's character's quote in 'Villain' - "What a dump, work all week and sh*g the missus on Saturdays". Villain was filmed about the same time as The Offence and Burton's character makes that quote as he is standing outside Clarke & Eaton (a glass manufacturer) staring across at Wildridings. Yeah, Bracknell certainly got some bad press back then. :)

Oh and finally, if you watch the original Casino Royale movie with David Niven, when he is being chased in his Bentley by the remote controlled milk float, the town he is being chased around in is...Bracknell, circa 1967.

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Nice backgrounds..... clever to work in two of UK's best actors and two of most under - rated films of the era.

Was surprised to hear Bracknell was the "playground" - I always thought Bracknell was just a twisted traffic system to upset drivers :-))

Thanks for the insight on locales - always good to see how scenes fit into movies - and how the film people use the location ..... away from London that is.

Now I have two films to see again - thanks for the reminder. We need an archive of decent movies available to download I think. Any idea where these two might be available? ( Not DVD though, generally crap in my experience of movies from this period )

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I saw this film for the first time last night and the thing that struck me the most was the use of location and architecture to add to the story. I view it pretty much as a critique of modernism, that you can move people out of poverty into new-built surroundings, but you can't take the emptiness and struggle from their lives. Of course I suppose that you might have to understand something of post-1960s English urban 'regeneration' to reach this interpretation, but I thought it was strongly present in Lumet's vision. A great film.

And thanks to bigbasspa-1 for filling us in on some of the exact filming locations - it's always good to know that stuff.

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Still nice to know that the 'Point Royal' tower block that Connery's character lived in is now a Grade 2 listed structure.

So it won't be going anywhere any time soon.

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A motive for moving working class people around in the post-war era, was to reverse gerrymander electoral boundaries, particularly in Liarbour Partei strongholds; it was a distant echo of the Strategic Hamlets (sic) policy in Vietnam so it's a mistake to assume altruism or experiment as motives for new towns. Perhaps Lumet could see end of the Potsdam Spring coming.

As for Johnson's behaviour when he finds the girl, see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krT1lX_Dvm0 @ 23:59-24:12

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I don't know what the statement was meant to be, but I have to say that no other film struck me so much with architecture and landscapes.

Every single thing in this entire film, from the streets to the inside of the police station (that looks like the Death Star made out of molded concrete), is gleaming, brand new, and almost a stunning work of architecture and civic design for living, yet at the same time it is the most depressing thing you've ever seen.

You'll long for the South Bronx after two hours of this place, what with people doing thankless work all day and being stuffed into planned cubbyholes at night.

This film, in my opinion, hits that mark even better than Layer Cake or A Clockwork Orange, and demonstrates the urban design of Sleeper or The Lathe of Heaven, but in real life. After seeing only a few minutes of this, I was asking myself, "Where the hell did they find this place to film? Not surprising that two guys would turn their minds to child rape just for the escapist element of it!"

This is a truly excellent film, and the architecture, coupled with the cinematography, is the best part. The music is amazing, and the sound is just incredible, both production sound mixing and effects.

Please watch this film!!!

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"Where the hell did they find this place to film? Not surprising that two guys would turn their minds to child rape just for the escapist element of it!"
Fortunately or unfortunately the town is being redeveloped so "Crossways" in the town centre is no more. The spiral walkway is about to go in the next few weeks. The town is currently featured in a non complementary way in the BBC comedy The Wrong Mans that is also being shown in the states on Hulu.

Horrifyingly a Bracknell underpass was one of the locations of murder for the M25 rapist Antoni Imiela, I'm not sure if it was the same one as in the movie. It is sadly prophetic that such brutalist architecture and lack of thought for community contributed to the crime.

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Thanks for your reply with insider information, mariegriffiths. I'm in USA and don't know any of this. What city/neighborhood/district are we talking about?

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I thought that the architecture was Outlandish (geddit?). Most of the buildings looked like expressionist pissoirs.

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Yes Lumet makes Bracknell New Town look suitably bleak, and I guess one sub-text is that these planned "utopias" did not live up to expectations. The main criticism (aside from the quality of the housing) was that they were planned around cars not people, which was ultimately self-defeating in a crowded country like Britain, and that particular priority was eventually dropped.

You shouldn't have mentioned Stevenage, Markbc! I saw both "Bracknell" films mentioned (this one and I Start Counting) when I was a kid and they both haunted me, though The Offence is the only masterpiece. But, for years, I was convinced that Counting was filmed in Stevenage, not Bracknell, and it was only on sourcing a home-produced DVD recently that I realised it wasn't.

So what film am I thinking of, or am I imagining it? Does anyone know of a film set in Stevenage New Town c.1970? IMDb is no help. Anyone? Thanks in advance...

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Ah, that looks likely, thanks markbc-2. Another one I haven't seen for 40 years or so. I'll check it out, it's 1968 so looks promising.

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Nice one! Not Judy Geeson, by any chance...

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Well, I finally caught up with HWGRTMB thanks to the BFI's recent DVD release. It's a pretty empty film really, but still fun to watch with a great swinging sixties, anything goes feel to it, and plenty of eye candy.

Though naturally I was only watching for the architectural detail, and it's interesting to note that here Stevenage New Town is portrayed as quite idyllic, with attractive new houses, urban areas and public open spaces and a clean and fun place to be young.

Contrast that with The Offence where the overall impression is bleak, soulless concrete. I guess you can prove any point with the right locations and a rain machine.

Btw, Bracknell comes out a lot better in I Start Counting, showing that grisly goings-on can happen even in the nicest places!

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What struck me the most about this film other than the plot was how unbelievably dark the scenes were (in lighting.) I missed most of the beginning, coming in around 25 minutes in, so perhaps I missed all of the scenes with light in them. It seemed like from when I started watching to the end there were almost no daylight scenes. The night scenes were so dark that even when I turned off every light in my living room and kitchen and even a light from down the hallway, I had trouble making out the detail of what was happening in this giant, black mass. Sometimes it just looked like solid black, but then I would sense movement somewhere in the black of something else even darker black doing something. My eyes often couldn't make out what I was looking at. Even in Johnson's flat where there were presumably some lights on, they didn't seem to shed much light. All of this darkness made it all the more startling when we saw the parrot in his flashbacks - I thought, "Wow! Color!" What any of this means other than that it was his "dark night of the soul" I don't know. It seemed almost Dickensian to me, the opposite of bright, shiny and modern.

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I thought that it was significant that the bacon station was unfinished - everywhere else was new and clean and tidy but the station resembled the inside of Johnson's head. I was rather surprised that they didn't find a standard social outsider to torture a false confession from.

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