I always had the feeling that Ponctius Pilate was only doing his job and was afraid of the people, but when watching Jesus Christ Superstar about a couple of years ago, he sounded kind of sinister in a couple of his songs, especially in the scenes involving him and Jesus himself. His voice sounded pretty when he was singing about his dream though. With his feelings during the trial scene, do you think he's good or evil? Please explain!
"What happemed then, well that's the play, and he wouldn't want us to give it away!"
Pilate was just a normal guy like the rest of us: a sinner. Like Tonks said, he really didn't want to kill Jesus because he didn't find anything against Jesus. But he knew if he let Jesus go, he would be fired or even killed himself and he was scared. So he tried to let other people do the decision.
He was trying to save Jesus at all costs. He eventually had no choice. If I may quote from "Trial Before Pilate"
"What do you mean? You'd crucify your king?"
"He's done no wrong- No no the slightest thing."
"I see no reason-I find no evil This man is harmless so why does he upset you? He's just misguided-thinks he's important But to keep you vultures happy I shall flog him."
You see? He was trying to save Jesus, not kill him. But, like I said, he eventually had no choice.
"Always find my place among the ashes." -Evanescence "Lithium"
And there is also the fact that in the musical, he sent Jesus to King Herod to make the decision for him, so that he wouldnt have to do it himself. Did he maybe realize how fickle the people were about Jesus (one minute praising him and wanting his blessings, clamoring for his execution the next minute)? Much like (and I am sure that this was intentional) our treatment of media figures in our own society (Mel Gibson, ironically, for one....)
lugosi-11: People who write things like that are the reason I still keep coming back to these message boards! That was brilliantly stated, and I've been thinking about that all along. Way to point out the Mel Gibson irony, too.
I think Pilate was both good and evil. He was evil because he had no objection to staying and "raping their country," as Simon said, but he at least had some decency because, yes, he was trying to save Jesus rather than kill him. At least in this version, which is really what I'd like to go by.
"Don't let a suitcase filled with cheese be your big fork and spoon." -"Everybody Loves Raymond"
If Herod was out of the picture-didn't even exist I believe Jesus wouldn't have died that particular day in that particular way. On the other hand, the crowd could've then simply overrun Pilate's thrown and have a massive coop because from what I can tell, it's pretty damn close of what was going to happen.
I've recently seen JCS again, and Pilate looked more harassed by the people than everyone else. I don't think those guys have the right to bully him into giving them what they want. He can't be demoted and deported just because he releases a prisoner, can he?
"What happemed then, well that's the play, and he wouldn't want us to give it away!"
according to the Bible and to the various Christian commentary I heard on Ponteus Pilate is that he is evil yes. He is not evil in a sense as Jews who killed Jesus were evil. They were the initiators of murder of an innocent man. Pilate is an example of evil that happens when we fail to defend someone and simply stay silent . This happens in our life too. Someone says something nasty or unfair about someone or a group of people and we would remain silent and not say anything out of fear of not being welcome by the group we are in. I've seen this happen when someone makes a racist joke and the person who doesn't laugh or who would otherwise criticize it doesn't say anything.
Pilate was in a dire situation, historically as well as in the gospel version of the story. According to the version picked up by JCS, he serves, as vortexrider mentioned, as a symbolic character for someone neutral doing something arguably evil, or some sort of corruption happening to him.
Historically (and I might be taking this a bit to far for this board), he was rather facing a subversive sect and, as had happened several times during his reign as governor, condemned their leader for treason against Rome. Most likely, though, the common public was in favor of the death sentence against Nazareth, as this prevented random punishments against the populace.
Anyway - this interpretation is remarkably different in the portrayal of Pilate from the 2000-version. He's "softer" or weaker here, also somewhat arrogant, while the 2000-version's Pilate seems more like the commander of an occupation force.
In real life, Pontius killed many Jews. I doubt he really would have been conflicted about killing another one. Really, it does not make much sense for Jews to want Crucifixion either, as thier holy texts call for other, specific punishments.
It would only be answerable when you put context around it. Evil is can only be assigned as a virtue when you are in a specific frame of reference. In most western christian religions, he would be considered evil for handing over Jesus for execution.
From a Roman point of view, he would have only been seen as "throwing a bone" to the jewish religious leadership in order to keep them from causing problems which for someone in Pilate's position was a regular happening.
He didnt exactly hate the Jews, nor did he have any exceptionally good feelings towards them either. There are some indications that he may have studied the Jewish religion prior to his being assigned to there as he appeared to have at least some understanding of why some things that the Romans did were so hated by the Jews.
One thing that is clear, he was eventually recalled, and disappears from reliable history... he has pretty much been exculpated by some christian sects however. in the Ethiopian chruch he is a saint and the greek orthodox (i think its greek orthodox at least) his wife has become a saint.
It is interesting to discuss this - but for me, when I get right down to it - I realize that the only evil I should be judging is my own. The evil that is in me is the evil I should be trying to obliterate and overcome. It's the only evil that I can potentially do anything about - and probably, the darkest and ugliest in my life. I pray that God grants me the will and time to recognize it fully and conquer it to some degree.
Historically, Ponctius Pilate was a rather cruel governor. More than usual. It's unlikely that he took pity on Jesus or anything of the sort. He just wiped him, as easily as he has done to so many others. In those days, there were hundreds of executions per year. He may have never seen Jesus...
But the gospels were written in days when the growing Christianity was trying to gather members from the Roman Empire - almost everyone nearby at the time. So they've portraied a much nicer Pilate, and put all the blame on the Jews, as if they've ever had any influence on who was to be executed or not.
Thanks to this effort to leave Rome's pride untouched, the Christianism became so huge, taking over an empire in a century or so... But, in doing so, they've lost their essence, the essence of Jesus' teachings, and ended up building no Heaven's Kingdom, but rather an Eartly Hell...
JCS doesn't escape from a nice Pilate because it is a new reading of the Bible, without adding any more ingredients other than a new way of reading the gospels. And they've managed to notice many things that scholars came to confirm years later, by considering the accounts of ancient historians and non-biblical gospels...
Biblically, was it not Pilate's wife who had the dream? I forget...also, historically, Pilate crucified hundreds,maybe thousands...he was there in Judea to keep the peace, and for Romans,that meant crucifixion or other bloody means...I agree he may never have even met Jesus and could care less
In reality, as many have said, he was not a nice man. If I remember, he was recalled for upsetting the people more than was necessary.
That being said, I read someplace that he really only had a couple hundred troops with him, so if there had been a riot or rebellion, things would have been ugly until his superior could march down with his legion.
All that being said, remember that Jesus refused to say he was a king, even though he was claiming to be the Messiah- which in reality, meant the King of the Jews, i.e. the heir of David and Solomon. That would have been the only crime against Rome, but essentially Jesus "pled the Fifth". However, Jesus upset the Jewish leaders, because he was essentially accusing them of being corrupt (which they were). That's why they were so insistent that he be crucified. When he arrived in Jerusalem, he was essentially greeted as King. And as King, he would have had the authority to replace Ciaphas and his entire bunch. He probably could have even had them put to death, if the people accepted him as king. Of course, in the end, he would have run afoul of Rome that way, and his reign would have been pretty short...
As Pilate's portrayed, (and remember, all we have to go on is the tradition, since there's no solid evidence linking him to Jesus in any way) he's trying merely to keep the peace, since the situation had the potential to explode quickly. He doesn't want to execute Jesus, and sees no reason for it- in some ways, upsetting the High Priest might not even have been a bad thing in his eyes.
I really like the way he's portrayed in JCS. Conflicted, and trying not to convict a man unjustly. But as Jesus tells him during the Trial, "you have nothing in your hands". It's a situation which a pagan can't understand, and he needs help to save Jesus. But the Jewish leaders want him dead, and there's nobody to defend Jesus except himself. And he refuses. So Pilate just says "go ahead and kill him if you want. I won't stop you."
So whether it's strictly true or not, I'll take Pilate as a guy with no really good options. So he took the least bad one.
The reason (in this version)that he did not want to kill him is because he recognised him as the man in the dream. Just before he starts really trying to defend him the orchestra plays one line of the music for "pilate's dream", and he reacts at the same time.
The movie has a LOT in it that isn't biblical. In the bible Pilate tried everything to let Jesus off, but the crowd wanted his crucifixion. Pilate's wife told him to let Jesus go. He even tried to say Jesus was just a fool that didn't know what he was doing but that didn't work either. If Jesus had uttered anything in his own defense he would have been let go, but he knew he had to make the sacrifice. Pilate said that he 'washed his hands' of the whole affair meaning that the crowd could have what they wanted but he wanted nothing to do with it.