How many females would do such a thing ?
Especially given her skills, she could have gotten revenge at a later date herself.
Don't believe everything the media tells you.
shareShe believed they were going to rape then KILL her.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
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Also Asians tend to place honor on certain things like virginity.
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
Real Smart, rape the sister of the BEST MARTIAL ARTIST IN THE ENTIRE WORLD (fictional world of the movie). Seriously? Maybe they did not realize but my god talk about signing your death warrant.
It would be like me raping Mike Tyson's sister (in his prime even not now) but Bruce was deadlier even than Tyson and admittedly not at specifically boxing but in a street fight would destroy Tyson.
So basically they were attacking the sister of the DEADLIEST PERSON IN THE ENTIRE WORLD.
Also, is there any chance they were just bullies that wanted to harass her and torment her but did not really intend to rape her? We never find out for sure.
Those were some DUMB people.
If someone was the sister of the deadliest person in the world I would stay away from her entirely or be VERY polite to her, I sure as hell would not try to rape her, its basically suicide .
She wasn't walking around with a sign that said "My brother is the world's deadliest martial artist". They didn't know who she was nor did they care. As hard as they were chasing her, I don't think mere harassment was on their minds. Incidentally, does anyone know whatever happened to Angela Mao Ying, who played that role? She had a few movies of her own in the Seventies.
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0544547/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
There you go.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
This is not really the same topic I admit but I am really wondering something.
Who would win in a fight between COLT (Villain portrayed by Chuck Norris in WAY OF THE DRAGON) and Iron Hand, main villain in Enter the Dragon. Bruce was not portraying the same character but I would assume that each version of Bruce in both of those fictional universes was about equal in ability so its comparable.
Both Colt and Iron Hand were the final and most difficult opponent in a different Bruce Lee movie and both lost to him fatally, one from being beaten into submission then getting his neck broken, the other being impaled by a spear. Both put up a pretty good fight before ultimately losing while a normal Bruce Lee opponent stands no chance at all.
Colt vs Iron hand would have been AWESOME.
Personally I would go with Colt. Though they were both villains he was not as evil as Iron Hand thus giving him moral priority but also he faced Bruce mano a mano and got in some really good hits, knocking Bruce down a few times and opening a gash on his face. It took several minutes for Bruce to finally kill him even though the tide turned a few minutes earlier. However, Iron Hand did sleazy sneak attacks relying on the confusion of all the mirrors and would lash out then hide again. He was not facing Bruce "toe to toe" like Colt was.
I really think Colt vs Iron Hand would be one of the best fantasy battles ever.
Being that nobody else other than Iron Hand could put up a reasonable fight against Bruce in Enter The Dragon I believe Colt could have beaten anyone else on that island including Bolo almost as easily as Bruce could have.
Who is Iron Hand? Are you talking about O'Hara? I guess it depends on which version of "Way/Return of the Dragon" where they name Norris' character in there. In the version I saw he was called "Bolt". In a review of the movie, the reviewer said his name was "Kuda". I'm sure it's not unusual for characters' names to be changed in foreign films when they play in the U.S.
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
If you compare Colts fight with Bruce to Hans' fight with Bruce, you see that Colt is more than a match for Bruce until Bruce adopts his hit and run tactics. Whereas, mano a mano against Han, as you say, Bruce always seems to have the upper hand skill wise.
So, Colt for me.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
I would also put my money on Colt over Abdul Jabar's character in Game of Death. I think Colt was the toughest of all the Bruce Lee opponents.
I think Bruce killing Colt was a mistake on the part of the writers. I think Bruce sparing Colt, maybe realizing that Colt was just doing his job so to speak and not his real enemy would have enabled Colt to return in a different movie, hopefully as a good guy.
I really liked how in the Undisputed Triogy the villain from each movie returned as a hero in the next (albeit a change of actor for Ving Rhames). Reusing a villain in a martial arts movie as a hero is a cool idea. I wish something similar had been done with Johnny Laurence in Karate Kid. And boxing is a martial art so its a shame that Ivan Drago never got his own spinoff as a hero.
Of course really evil villains like Chong Li from Bloodsport or Tong Po from Kickboxer cannot be heroes as they are beyond redemption.
A great villain turned hero story could have been Price with his own spinoff in Blood and Bone.
I wonder if Colt really could have beaten Bruce if it had been a different kind of fight. For example if it had been a kickboxing match following the rules of Western Kickboxing then many of Bruce's lethal techniques would not have been allowed and even though he ruled at Jeet Kun Do, basically his version of Kung Fu, Colt was the best Karate practitioner in the world and I think that might give him the upper hand in a kickboxing (or even regular boxing) match.
I know he was used to give another fighter a chance to shine (John Saxon) but I would have loved to have seen Bruce kill BOLO in Enter the Dragon. Bolo was such a dick. Seeing Colt destroy Bolo (and being able to put up a good fight against Bruce guarantees this pretty much since I am certain Bolo could not do so). I think Bruce himself was the only person in all of the Bruce Lee movies who could have beaten Colt.
Yeah in Best of the Best 2, the bad guy from one, comes in to save the day for the good guy. So redemption is something that works well in these movies.
As for the writer making a mistake in killing off Colt, you do know that Bruce was the writer don't you?
You mention could Colt have beaten Bruce in a different kind of fight. Well technically he does in this film. When both Martial Artists conform to their styles, Colt is the superior fighter. He even tells Bruce 'no more, you've had enough', when he shakes his finger at him. It's only when Bruce changes to his unrestricted (Jeet Kune Do) fighting method, that he gains the upper hand. As you can see here.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=bqzQ2qrtBeg
With regards to John Saxon fighting Bolo, I remember that originally his character was meant to die instead of Williams (Jim Kelly). But the studio felt that Saxon being the known actor, he should live and Williams was killed off instead. Now I would liked to have seen Williams deal with Bolo rather than Roper.
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Jim Kelley vs Bolo would be interesting, Bolo is so powerfully built like a tank but Jim Kelley is so tall with such long arms and legs and I think Bolo is only five foot six.
One good reason to bring back villains as heroes in sequels to martial arts movies is that part of being a villain is to seem invincible usually the hero is the first person to beat an otherwise undefeated villain.
Well there is no literary rule requiring the HERO of a movie to be undefeated or seem invincible, think Rocky or Karate Kid the hero is supposed to be the underdog. Its part of why Kickboxer 2 sucked, Tong Po had already been proven to not be invincible so he made a boring villain.
Its part of why Kickboxer 2 sucked, Tong Po had already been proven to not be invincible so he made a boring villain
Never thought about it that way. Good catch.
You said in an earlier post that Johnny Lawrence would make a good returning 'Hero'. I agree and think KK3 should have been about a villain who is a property (not Terry Silver)developer and uses strong arm tactics to force Miyagi to sell his house. Miyagi could have played a smaller role (in hospital for operation or something) and Johnny and the boys come back to help Daniel.
It would have been better than the 5h1t fest we got.
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Chuck took on someone even bigger than Bolo in AN EYE FOR AN EYE, a human tank character I think named Professor Tanaka. That guy was scary and Chuck had to hit him with everything but the kitchen sink before he finally went down.
Chuck vs Bolo would have been interesting as Bolo is scary for being so powerfully built and though fast for someone so strong and not at all slow by conventional human standards he is NOT as fast as some of the other martial artists like Bruce Lee or Van Damme. Chuck fighting Bolo would have been interesting because you would have the tradeoff of Chuck being faster and more maneuverable than Bolo but Bolo being stronger and having more raw power.
The fictional character Colt would have to have been able to beat Bolo as I said before as he put up a pretty good fight against Bruce, much better than I suspect Bolo could have.
By the way the villain in BEST OF THE BEST becoming the hero's friend was cool. It also happened in the Rocky movies ("Villainy" is a spectrum in martial arts movies and boxing is a martial art. At one end of the spectrum the villain is just cocky and arrogant and needs to be humbled and the other end is an evil psychopath criminal that the hero often has to kill, Johnny Laurence was at the lower end though slightly worse than just an arrogant villain. If Villainy level 1 is just cocky and arrogant and 10 is Tong Po I consider Johnny Laurence to be 2 or maybe 2.5, Chozen from KK2 maybe 4 and A holes like Kreese and Silver maybe 5. Only villains at the lower end of the spectrum are redeemable enough to return as heroes, I would think 3 would be the maximum for that, or 4 if they were really seeking redemption.
I think Johnny Laurence should have become Daniel's friend in the sequels that would have been cool if he were to befriend both Danny and Mayagi. Forgiveness and redemption could be a major theme if that were to happen.
Anyway, Apollo Creed was Villain Level 1 for being cocky and arrogant, Clubber lang probably a 2 and Drago maybe a 3. Tommy Gunn I would say 5 maybe, he was unredeemable.
Interestingly Uri Boyka from UNDISPUTED 2 AND 3 was able to preserve his ability to be redeemed even though he committed a double murder. Drugging a fighter is such a dishonorable act that the 2 sleazo A holes who did it were basically killing themselves. It was still wrong to kill them but when you kill someone who kind of deserves it you are still redeemable. If he had killed anyone innocent or had only done something minorly wrong in that movie I would have refused to accept him as a hero.
Lastly "pretty boy" Price in BLOOD AND BONE was not really a villain. Fighting Bone was hid job and even though he worked for the criminal organization we do not know for sure if he was aware of how evil his bosses were. In a spinoff or sequel he could realize the level of McVeigh's evil and for moral reasons decide he cannot fight for him anymore and maybe even become Bone's ally or something.
Had the character Colt not died (Bruce sparing him) AND had the actor Bruce lived a great GREAT idea for a sequel would be if Bruce is portraying the same character and fighting several people at once and actually gets overwhelmed and is getting beaten up when suddenly Colt shows up, healed from his injuries fighting Bruce in the previous film and attacks the villains saving Bruce's life as a way of retuning the "life debt" since in my altered reality Bruce refused to kill him. That would have been way better.
Technically, Tommy Gunn isn't the villain of "Rocky V". The real bad guy is George Washington Duke, who manipulates Tommy int o squaring off against his mentor, Rocky. I also wanted to see Johnny team up with Daniel. I also think that even if Daniel had lost, Johnny would have become Daniel's friend because he respected him by that point.
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
You are right. Remember when Mr Mayagi said to Daniel that he had already proven himself and did not need to risk fighting with the injured leg? Had Daniel not entered that last fight he still would have won 2nd place by default since he and Johnny were the only ones left.
One thing about bullying is that it only works if you are A LOT more powerful than your victim. A six foot three 250 pound guy can bully a five foot two one hundred pound guy but he cannot bully a six foot two 236 pound guy. The Cobra Kai lost their ability to bully Daniel once he reached 2nd place. That is especially true by the time he does the crane kick, as he had already scored 2 of the 3 winning rounds. If the crane kick had failed it would have been a very close 2nd place for Daniel and the bullying still would have been over. His victory was just a little icing on the cake.
I would argue that Tommy Gunn was A villain but not the main villain. That Washington Duke guy was such a sleazebag that he makes Don King seem like a super hero. He is lucky Rocky was the guy he pissed off since Rocky is a hero. If he had pissed off Ivan Drago or Clubber Lang he would have gotten hurt way worse!
Oh, and what is up with world class martial artists being rapists? Tong Po in Kickboxer, Ohara in this and Mike Tyson in real life (I give Tyson a pass because that was a scandal based on arguing over whether or not it was "consentul") I even use Tyson as an example when I argue against the automatic death penalty or castration for rapists. But seriously, in order to be a top notch martial artist you have to have incredible self discipline and determination and other good qualities and rape is so sleazy and something a real man would never do. In fact there is some good in everyone and I suspect that since Ohara in Enter the Dragon had a warrior's honor code of sorts he would have killed Ohara had he known Ohara was a rapist. Of course Bruce would never let Ohara know that because if Ohara killed him it would deprive Bruce of his revenge.
Did you notice Bruce did NOT kill Ohara until he was attacked with the broken bottle after the match had been declared over? My guess is any suspicion he was out for his own personal revenge would have blown his cover but maybe he strongly suspected that Ohara would do something dishonorable and he was waiting for that to manifest so that when he killed him everyone would assume it was out of anger at Ohara for behaving in such a dishonorable manner. That was the reason everyone thought he killed him. I also think Bruce was patient in that story and had Ohara not given him an excuse he would have waited for a later opportunity to kill him.
…I suspect that since Ohara in enter the Dragon had a warrior's honor code of sorts he would have killed Ohara had he known Ohara was a rapist.
Yes I meant Han sorry for the mistype.
I would assume any man with daughters of his own would hate rapists as that would represent a threat to his own daughters. Even though Ohara would never have dared rape one of Han's daughters any time a man loves or nurtures females a person who would be a rapist is seen as a potential threat because they can empathize and think about what if someone raped their children (or wife mother etc).
I am wondering, if Ohara had NOT harmed anyone in Bruce's family and had just been his assigned opponent and the fight had manifested the same way would Bruce have killed him like that just for being dishonorable and attacking with the bottle or would he have just beaten the guy into submission but let him live, and had Bruce not killed him would Han have done so?
Interesting.
O'Hara is not a rapist though. He doesn't rape Lee's sister. He is (possibly) a potential rapist. It is also possible that she would have been raped by the others and not O'Hara. Remember O'Hara did not kill the old guy who slashed his face.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
But he did drive Lee's sister to suicide. In Lee's mind, that's just like he murdered her.
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
Well he was the leader of the group and I suppose as such either most responsible or guilty by association. Still, wonder why he didn't kill the old guy.
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Yeah, maybe. Never thought of it that way.
shareDid you know that Bob Wall, who played O'Hara, had a small part in "Way/Return of the Dragon"? He was one of the guys fighting in the office when Norris' character shows up.
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
Yes. He's the one Bruce kills by punching him in the balls.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them!
Like Granddad said on "The Boondocks": Exploding nutsack technique!
"There will be blood. Oh, yes! There will be blood."-Jigsaw; "Saw II"
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