How did he kill the hotel woman he slept with?
she didn't struggle or anything..
shareHard for me to say for sure. Hopefully someone knows, but it seemed that he accessed a nerve in her neck somewhere and pressed it. I believe there is a nerve just behind the ear that if struck or pressed hard enough can kill someone very fast. Whatever he did, she died very quickly.
I don't think he strangled her, as she didn't struggle or gasp for air. The Jackal was an expert killer and knew exactly how to kill someone using minimal force.
That's my guess anyway.
I didn't know about that nerve but if so then yeah you are probably right. The only explanation really..
shareI was thinking exactly the same thing but didn't know about that nerve. I just assumed it was something like that. Good explanation.
shareIn karate, there is a blow that you can deliver to the jugular vein that will disable or kill a person without requiring a tremendous amount of force. It works by compressing the vein which will temporarily cut off the supply of blood to the brain. A light tap will produce dizziness, a harder tap will produce brain damage or death. It's a much more elegant method than strangulation. If you know the right spot you could probably just press down soft or hard for the desired effect.
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Andrew, I am assuming you are being sarcastic. The human body is really a fairly fragile thing. There is a youtube video that shows a pimp tearing at a hookers clothing and an instructor at a karate school across the street notices the pimp attacking the hooker. He comes out and tells the pimp to leave her alone and then the pimp starts making threats to the instructor. The pimp approaches the instructor, and the instructor lets loose with his forearm to the neck of the pimp. Not real hard, just kind of an easy tap and down the pimp goes. The instructor looks back at the camera and puts his arms up like he was saying he couldn't believe it was actually that easy to take down this vicious pimp. The pimp staggers and can barely walk back to his car before he collapses again. I believe an ambulance came and got him at that point
The eyes, genitals, throat and neck are very delicate parts of the human body. You have to be careful about using what you know. If you kill someone and the authorities find out you know how to kill, you could go to prison for a very long time.
Andrew...Andrew....ANDREW!!! Wake up! Watch the scene where he is requesting the production of the gun again. Watch the scene where he picks up the gun...again. Watch the scene where he tests the gun with the melon...again. He practiced with the regular bullets to set his scope, then used a mercury tipped bullet to test it for the desired effect. A mercury tipped bullet will most certainly cause a man's head to blow up at that distance. Most likely no matter where on the head the bullet strikes.
shareI remember many years ago a spectator was accidentally killed while watching a game of football (Soccer in the USA). The ball hit the unfortunate person on the neck quite hard, killing him instantly. I believe, at the inquest, it was mentioned about the jugular vein being involved - just a freak accident & one of those times when the victim was certainly in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Boo!
I think your description is a more accurate account of what probably happened. On another viewing, I notice his hand near her neck and not close enough to the nerve behind the ear.
a blow to the jugular will not kill, unless compression was sustained on both sides of the neck, even if one side was damaged the other would still provide oxygenated blood to the brain. it is the same idea as a choke hold, its used in mixed martial arts and ju jitsu, you compress both sides of the neck, without crushing the windpipe, therefore cutting off the blood flow in two major arteries close to the surface, oxygen is cut off from the brain which causes them to go unconcious, it would only kill if they were kept deprieved of oxygen for a few minutes. thats why its considered safe and legal to use in competitive fights.
a sudden blow would have more of a shock effect and may work to knock someone out due to the same effect that knocks out boxers who have their neck snapped back too forcefully and suddenly from a heavy punch that their body as an evolutionary defense mechanism goes limp. so the blow may well cause the person to pass out or shock the nervous system and cause the person to become disorientated, but unless the windpipe was crushed and they suffocated it would not be fatal. if the windpipe alone was crushed they would choke, if they blow knocked them out and crushed the windpipe they would pass out and just not breath and not wake up.
like others have said this scene smacked more of movie magic, like the rather unconvincing kill of the forger who basically gets slapped then the actor just keeps his eyes open and goes limp, the idea being his neck was supposedly and easily broken, something not easy to safely replicate on film, so i think it could be the scene in the film was either using a fictional 'vulcan death grip' method or was supposed to have snapped her neck.
the idea that using a single blow in karate would cause brain damage is more myth than fact, if anyone really did such a thing they would be locked up and there would be reports of it. it really wouldnt be good news for the person who carried it out unless they had strong evidence of self defence, as people with martial arts training can be considered to have been armed, an aggravating factor in almost every country, even if they only used their bare hands due to them knowing martial arts, like kicking someone can be considered an armed assault as a 'shod foot' (kicking someone while wearing shoes) can legally be considered using a weapon in many jurisdictions.
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If you obstructed the jugular vein, could it cause a brain hemorrhage (from the blood getting backed up unable to escape)?
I don't know (not an expert on such things), but I imagine it could. Anyone here know?
Understanding is a three-edged sword.
Perhaps he crushed her windpipe, but I doubt that it could be done as quickly as that.
How did he kill the passport forger? One hard blow to the stomach and a seemingly lesser impact blow about the head and that guy died right away, too? I love the film, but found both murders stretching credulity.
I believe both killings were essentially "movie moments"--playing on the audience's idea of the expert killer, rather than some real-world technique.
One of my favourite 70s films.
It was a somewhat inaccurate, but very artfully made scene. There are several kill scenes by The Jackal we don't actually see. This scene was meant to display how cold and easily Jackal can kill, even a beautiful woman he's just slept with, in her own bed.
Yes I agree.
There are three different kills where there is precious little technique demonstrated, giving rise to the OP's understandable query. But I think Fred Zinnemann just wanted to give the impression that he was an extremely professional killer, rather than fill in a detailed canvas.
I concur
I kept thinking 'Karate Chop!' after every one.
..To think, I killed a cat
And might I say not in the gay way..
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Kind of like the five-point palm exploding heart technique .
Understanding is a three-edged sword.
I believe, when he asked for the one bullet from the gun-smith, he also killed him.
shareoriginally he was to kill the gunsmith when he asked for the bullet, but the scene was shortened so as to show he would of let the forger live if he hadnt blackmailed him, so he just asks for a bullet then the scene cuts. the scene in the terminator where arnie takes a shotgun shell and loads the weapon and kills the gunshop owner is meant to be an homage to the deleted original version of that scene.
shareNeither in the book nor in the film did the Jackal intend to kill the gunsmith. As I recall, the gunsmith took elaborate precautions to ensure that this wouldn't happen. As I further recall, he told the Jackal about this, and the Jackal believed him, at least in the book. And why would the gunsmith spill the beans anyway? He made his living supplying weapons to the underworld, custom-made and otherwise, was his stock in trade. He would have been shutting down his own lucrative business.
The forger wasn't nearly as smart as the gunsmith and unwittingly told the Jackal as much. If I were the Jackal, I would have killed the forger, too. No consequences in his case, and good insurance.
"My God, the world is loaded with half-assed assumptions pulled out of your butt."
the movie makes no mention of back up plans, the idea is this is the biggest job ever, the jackal will retire and never need this man again, there will be a much larger and longer investigation than there has been for anything else he has ever done in europe and this man knows some of his history from previous transactions, so the jackal starts tying up loose ends. the deleted scene of the murder is mentioned in the trivia section under spoilers though that is not where i originally heard about it, but as i wrote the post over a year ago i wanted to double check and found it mentioned right here, but it has been talked about before.
i havent read the book but the movie makers obviously wanted to show how ruthless the jackal truly was, seeing anyone else as expendable if it helped him on his mission or maintain his own safety.
also, though ive not seen most of it as i remember it being a poor shadow of the original, the one part of i think it was a bruce willis the jackal remake replaced the scene, i remember him having the gun smith go and hold up something as a target and the weapon shooting low and taking the guys arm off proving it wasnt calibrated properly, though obviously that version i dont think was really close to the original in anyway, i think that was put back in as a nod and wink to the other movie, like the peter jackson version of king kong putting in the scene with the giant bugs because it had been cut from the original.
also, though ive not seen most of it as i remember it being a poor shadow of the original, the one part of i think it was a bruce willis the jackal remake replaced the scene, i remember him having the gun smith go and hold up something as a target and the weapon shooting low and taking the guys arm off proving it wasnt calibrated properly, though obviously that version i dont think was really close to the original in anyway, i think that was put back in as a nod and wink to the other movie, like the peter jackson version of king kong putting in the scene with the giant bugs because it had been cut from the original.
He put the details on the jackal in a diary in a safe place that would be accessed in the event of his death, so he couldn't kill him. The forger merely hid them so there was no reason not to kill him.
The author used the same device in his next book, The Odessa File, where he has someone keep a diary on escaped Nazis for his own protection should they decide to off him.
actually according to the book he didn't. further the characteristics of the gunsmith, i.e., his craftsmanship, his unhesitating demand for a large sum, and his precision and constructing the crutch-carrying device, implied a respected no-nonsense craftsman who would be proud of his work and left alive out of regard. Unlike the photographer with his slimy personality and thieving intentions.
shareim not really sure people who murder in cold blood for personal gain are entirely noble about respecting a craftsmans work, also it is like the mafia, they see each other as legitimate targets as they chose to be involved in this lifestyle knowing the risks and being involved in plenty of despicable acts themselves.
shareaccording to the book he allowed the gunsmith to live but gave him a stern warning not to speak of his purchase on pain of death. The passage also mentions the gunsmith is prepared for attack by his customers by keeping a record of who bought what in a secret place in case he was murdered.
shareHe used a "blood choke", as they say in jiu jitsu, where you cut off the arteries leading to the brain. You don't need much pressure and people can pass out in five seconds. I've seen it happen.
But, she only would have been temporarily unconscious for a few seconds, then would have awakened. To kill her, he would have needed to hold that choke for a couple minutes. So, in that regard, that scene was a definite exaggeration. And a waste of a good milf.
In reality, you shut off someones artery, yes, they'll pass out, but not before making some feeble struggles.
This woman was stroking the jackal's arm one moment then her arm dropped, like she'd fallen asleep.
Maybe he bored her to death.
Absurdity: A Statement or belief inconsistent with my opinion.
An accessible nerve in the neck ? What is it called, the D-spot ? It's a good thing you didn't describe where it is, streets would be full of dead children
There are actually two arteries supplying the brain, the carotids. The inner carotid arteries to be precise, pretty well protected
Both deaths are very exaggerated. Have to find yet a 100% credible film. I'll start watching documentary
@basterd7 "And a waste of a good milf" like it :D she did have bad hair though
shareI would assume it was a dramatic fabrication performed for shock effect. There must have been some trauma involved or her death would not immediately be called a murder...she may have just had a heart attack. There's no move that can kill without causing pain to the victim.
shareAny way you could NOT make your @(*$&@#ed title a SPOILER?! Thanks for that.
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Well maybe a stupid thing to reveal but she obviously was very attracted to him- sexual attraction can muddle up your judgment at times- and although she had been interviewed by the police I don't recall Lebel telling her they were looking for an assassin after De Gaulle.
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In the movie, it's just done for effect to show us what that he is a super-trained professional assassin. I't just movie magic, not to be confused with reality.
In the book, I'm not 100% sure, but I seem to recall he breaks her neck, then puts her back in bed under the covers like she is sleeping (to buy time, so that when the maid sees her she will leave her alone, thinking she is sleeping off a wild night).
the book stated he killed her after she surmised he was going to assassinate degaule. Her murder was from violent blows, not subtle pinches.
share... the reality is, it was a really poor scene. Just a bad choice by the director and probably the worse scene in the movie.
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