Nice mafia?


I enjoyed the film,but one thing here made me laugh.The notion represented by Marvin's character (You also see this in "The Road to Perdition" and indeed "The Godfather") that there is a 'nice' mafia and a 'nasty' mafia,that some branches of organized crime are more honourable than others.In the real world, I doubt that the Mafia would have any problems whatsoever with what 'Mary Anne' was doing -apart from the debt, of course. Especially not 'the Outfit' the Chicago mob, who have a reputation of being one of the most vicious branches of the Mafia.

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One should never expect 100% reality from anything from Hollywood. The reality was that Kansas City Gangs did not appreciate Chicago muscle and usually made an example of outsiders. Regardless, I saw this movie when it first came out. It is a well-made, well-acted example of the genre. Marvin on his game and Gene Hackman beginning to show the nasty smarminess that he is so good at. Sissy Spacek's debut is truly notable.

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I think the Mafia had nothing to do with Marvin's character's actions. He was there to get the money back and when he couldn't he went on a personal vendetta against Hackman's character.

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Agreed. The Mob couldn't have cared less how Chicago got their money. All they wanted was Mary-Ann to pay his dues. When he didn't, they sent Lee Marvin in to take it out in blood.

It was just business to them.

It was Marvin who took things personally.

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The Mafia is not mentioned.There are many many criminal organisations apart from the Mafia.

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I don't think the Chicago gang was Mafia, per se, as in the Italian Mafia.

They were all Irish Americans.

I can't remember all of their names, but Shaughnessy was one of the Irish names and the rest had other recognizably Irish names.

Cheers...

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I thought that Marvin's character Devlin (and the rest of his crew) was disgusted by the girl auction - maybe it offended his Irish (most probably Catholic) beliefs and was for him a step over the line.
I just rewatched this on DVD last night. Funny how Devlin gets the girl out of the meat auction and yet happily has her walk almost naked into the hotel restaurant.

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Why, do you think she had something to be ashamed of? Having even a flimsy dress on is a big step up from lying around naked in hay. It was a nice scene.

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It was indeed a nice scene, and it put her in control.

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Apparently, Marvin started to take things quite personally there... but, yeah, the concept of a mob enforcer with a heart of gold is a bit hard to swallow. Things did get a bit corny, too, occasionally, which is the main reason I couldn´t ultimately rate it any higher than 7/10. What an unusual, often wonderfully filmed and scored little action number though, with some rather viscious violence and ferocious fight scenes. The plot may be quite simplistic and straight-forward, but it´s got a nice sense of style and definitely an identity all its own. Not to mention it´s a special treat to see Marvin and Hackman in a film together, both in excellent form. Some alarmingly "meaty" subtext there... or perhaps not "subtext", considering how obviously it´s written out.



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There are some gangsters who are not as bad as others, whether you like knowing it or not. Also, more important, this movie had nothing to do with Mafia, it was based on one of the syndicate type gangs from Midwest.

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Devlin is an (unaffiliated) enforcer for the Irish Mob. Basically the Irish Mafia. Even his contractor said, he can't give him more backup because of the things that happen right now in Chicago. Indicating the Italian/Irish mob war.

Paul Walker, Philip Seymour Hoffman RIP

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An astute OP.

Prime Cut came out a few years after the Hays Code was dropped in 1968 and "the bad guys could win." But we also got movies in the seventies, in which, said one critic "there are no good guys; just bad guys and worse guys." Movies about bank robbers like Charley Varrick and The Getaway are two examples. The Sting is yet another. We are forced to side WITH bad guys -- usually because they are played by cool, sympathetic actors (Walter Matthau, Steve McQueen, Paul Newman, Robert Redford), and the criminals against whom they are pitted ARE worse -- more ruthless, cruel, merciless, sadistic, perverted, etc.

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Prime Cut stakes its claim here in the first scene where Lee Marvin meets -- and confronts -- Gene Hackman. The ultra-cool Marvin is marginally disgusted by Hackman's country slob ways("You eat guts" "Yeah...I like 'em!") and by Hackman's weird-goon brother Weenie -- but Marvin REALLY starts raging when he sees how Hackman displays nude, young women("raised" like cattle at an orphanage) for sale as prostitutes.

Hackman invites Marvin to go into this flesh business with him and Marvin retorts "No, you can stay in the sewer by yourself." And Marvin promptly rescues one -- and only one -- of the naked girls(Sissy Spacek, because she murmurs "Help me.")

All of Lee Marvin's lines and reactions to the perverse Hackman in this scene tell us that he is the "noble hero" -- but it just doesn't compute fully. In another movie, Marvin would be a stone cold villain -- the hitman enforcer sent to kill (think of Joe Don Baker's hit man after Walter Matthau in Charley Varrick.) But here, a certain nobility kicks in and we "buy" Marvin as "the good guy." (Before this scene, we get a sense of Marvin's weird courtliness when he agrees to get out of his limo and meet the mother and sisters of one of the young Chicago thugs assigned to his team -- "Its a pleasure to meet you," Marvin says to the "boy's" beaming mother. These are the nicest thugs in film history.)

The way I figure it, prostitution is very likely ALSO part of the business run out of Marvin's Chicago mob -- but evidently, they don't do it so cruelly and crassly in Chicago as Hackman does it in Kansas City (drugged naked girls on display in pens like calfs, prepped in an Orphanage with no parental help.)And so, Prime Cut tells us -- villainy has degrees.

It feels better to watch Prime Cut that way. It feels better to consider Lee Marvin the hero.

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Apparently, Marvin started to take things quite personally there--

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Recall also that Mary Ann had taken on as his "kept lover," Marvin's former lover.

Even the coolest of men can take things like THAT pretty personally..

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