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Jeremiah's older brother love for Swan and Caleb


It became very clear to me as the movie went on that Jeremiah Johnson developed deep love for Swan and Caleb, essentially as surrogate younger sister and much younger brother.

I really respected the platonic love between Jeremiah and Swan. They became close friends and then loved each other mostly like brother and sister. That was the best they could do with each other. Both were strangers unwillingly thrust together in an unwanted marriage because of Indian social customs and honor. But Jeremiah respects Swan and is the perfect gentleman, never forcing himself on her. In time, Swan acknowledges Jeremiah's respect and in turn develops her own respect for him. There is not a single spark of romantic love between them and it never develops but clearly you see some other form of affection and deep love, and it is most reminiscent of brother-sister love. As for Caleb, Jeremiah becomes father, uncle, big brother, legal guardian, and mentor to traumatized Caleb.

When you love family like that, it is understandable why a white-hot rage smolders within Jeremiah when he returns home to see their slain bodies in the cabin. At that moment, the quiet, shy, introverted, hard-working, honest Jeremiah Johnson dies and in his place arises a white-man demon avenging warrior, a man, who because he no longer fears death nor harbors any concern for his own life now becomes invincible for it. He will no longer be known as the white man trapper trader to the local Indian tribes but a yellow-haired, ice-blue eyed killing demon from out of the East, who breathes and bleeds but never dies and fights as raging demon, enough to become a legend in his own time.

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I think they consummated the marriage.

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Yes, you're right, HughConway3133. He asked her what was wrong with her face and it was whisker burns from his having made love to her the night before. That's what made him cut his beard off to spare her the continued irritation to her skin, from kissing...

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The initial marriage may have been unwanted, but it became real. Remember when Jeremiah shaves off his beard. He does so because it was scratching up Swan's chin... when they were in bed together.

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I think Jeff is projecting his own feelings in his interpretation of the film. Once again, a case of viewing another culture through the lens of your own culture.

I don't know what film you watched. Johnson certainly had both Swan and Caleb thrust upon him. They began as a burden to be shouldered. But, I did not see Johnson as a "perfect gentleman", rather a loner who simply wanted to be left alone. Not some upright, socially moral, rule-driven individual.

While Jeremiah and Swan took some time to consummate their marriage, they clearly did after he returned injured from a fight with wolves......he shaved his beard after he realized that it was irritating her face. So, there most certainly was romantic love (watch the scene of them under the bear robe by the fire), along with familial love ....witness the stick-ball game. They all clearly loved one another.

So when he found them killed, he exacted his revenge on the perpetrators. He knew he had violated Crow burial ground, but was driven by revenge for his family (Crows would have done the same). Watch the subsequent scenes again. Johnson did not become a "yellow-haired, ice-blue eyed killing demon". In each scene, it is Johnson who is attacked, not the other way around.

Many Native American tribes were warrior cultures and Johnson was viewed by them as a great warrior after taking his revenge. As Del Gue said near the end of the film "most injun tribes greatness is figured on how mighty it's enemies be".

By killing Johnson they would prove their greatness.....a warrior-culture belief. Johnson had learned a hard lesson and now knew he must live within the Crow rules ....they would try to kill him and he must defend himself.

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Watch the subsequent scenes again. Johnson did not become a "yellow-haired, ice-blue eyed killing demon". In each scene, it is Johnson who is attacked, not the other way around.

Untrue; Johnson tracked the party of Crow he thought responsible for the attack upon his family, and slew them all, with the exception of one man, whom he spared. It was this man that took the issue back to the Crow nation, and led to the vendetta, where they began seeking him out and attacking him.

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No, your statement is untrue. Lisajohn-4 said the "subsequent" scenes. Do you understand what the word subsequent means? Look it up! Google is your friend.

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I think if you polled a thousand viewers of this movie, you might find 4 or 5 that would agree with your contention that their relationship was strictly platonic.

For one thing, you don't pull back the buffalo robe where your wife is lying naked on your first night together, stare, and declare "Lord." if your inclination was to look at her like your younger sister.

One thing is clear though, he truly did come to love his family so completely that their murders fairly destroyed him spiritually.


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You're hypothesis is incorrect, as the relationship between Swan and Jeremiah was -consummated- and was not meant in any way to be assessed as incestuous. He asked her what had happened to her face, at one point, and she indicated that the red irritation was due to whisker burn, because he had been kissing her the night before while they had made love. That's what caused him to shave his beard...

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