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VHS run time vs. movie run time


Glad to see the video is now available. IMDB says Hot Rock runs 105 mins. VHS apparently runs 97 mins. Anyone know what's missing?

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Sorry, I haven't seen the video. If I could find a copy of it (VHS or DVD) I'd love to see it again after roughly 25 years. If I do, I'll tell you if something is obviously missing.

I saw it on TV once or twice after the theater. My guess is that the missing 8 minutes has somthing to do with the editing they did to get it on TV and fit in all the commercials.

Do you know who the distributor is? I'm going to do another search for it.

Thanks.

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It's available in both VHS and DVD, and reasonably priced. See the Amazon.com box on imdb's Hot Rock main page, in the upper right corner. There may of course be other places to buy a copy (Google should be helpful).

By the way, I left my original message in May of 2003(!) and have been checking back periodically for replies. Imagine my happy surprise yesterday to find your post!

The Hot Rock holds up. It may not be as relentlessly slambang as today's action movies, but it is so clever, with characters so sharply delineated. Much of the period political jabs may go over the heads of today's younger audiences. They seem like private jokes for those who were young when the movie first came out ("I'm not going to be the first police commander to lose a station!").

And that exhilarating ending still plays and still satisfies!

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Ask me ANYthing about this film. It's my all-time favorite since age 11. The missing scenes are:

The bomb scene. Dortmunder and Greenberg, (Greenwood in the novel), go to a lake, (Which is really Malibu State Park), with the outside pretense of two guys fishing. When the coast is clear, Greenberg starts whipping out bombs and lighting them and throwing them into the brush so that Dortmunder can get an example of what bomb Greenberg has devised as the explosion to aid in their diversion tactic, (The first caper where the car crashes outside the Brooklyn Museum to distract the gaurds). It's a hilarious scene! He keeps bringing out bigger and better bombs and lighting them up. Dortmunder, a man of few words, says, 'Bigger'....each time. And Greenberg's little commentaries/editorializations are funny too. After the 3rd. bomb, Dortmunder says 'Bigger still'. Greenberg, trying not to be jilted, meekly says, "I'll work on it".
Great Scene.

The next scene they sometimes edit, because it doesn't advance the plot, is the scene where Dortmunder has a homecoming of sorts at his sisters place right after Kelp picks him up from jail. (in the book, Kelp and Dortmunder are not brothers in law but cousins of some sort) As Dortmunder is playing with his infant nephew on his knew, the kid pees on him. Dortmunder looks up to the other people in the room, Kelp and his sister, and says, "The kid's peeing on me". Later when, Dortmunder gives his speech of determination in the helicopter, he talks about how the emerald has jinxed him and he gives a littany of hardships he has had to endure while trying to make this score. One of the ones he lists, is "peed on". Also, "Robbed, Run over, shot at, ...and worst is gonna happen before it's done....etc.... Either I get IT, or IT GETS ME". His stregnth of resolve is apparent after the 3rd heist at the Police Station goes Awry.

The other scene is probably less footage during the actual helicopter ride. The usually cut some out on TV. It's a shame because it's a non dialogue but funny scene of the guys in the chopper looking like they are about to YARF! Also....During this long flying scene, you get a glimpse of the WTC Towers being built. Very impactful these days.

And the last scene they usually or sometimes cut, is right after Dortmunder leaves the bank with the stone and struts down the street happily to the tune of "When You Believe" in Dixieland Jaxx style. After he gets into the car and you hear the Dortmunder gang CHEER, the final scene they cut is Dr. Amusa, (Or Major Iko in the book), driving up to the bank with the attorney Prosker, and getting out to go to the Safety Deposit box. They of Course will come up empty handed.

In the book, there are two additional capers that are not included in the film. But the film does it justice, or I should say that William Goldman, the screenwrite, does it justice, by not including them. The two additional capers are breaking into an insane asylym, where the attorney has sequestered himself for safe keeping for a while, in order to spring Prosker and force him into giving them the information of where the Balabomo Emerald is. The last and final caper in the book is Dortmunder on the run when he learns of a double cross by Prosker and Iko, and Dortmunder hijacks a plane at the airport, of sorts. He hops on and tells the pilot just to go wherever he was headed. The pilot does it, but all the while, his buddy sleeps through it and he can't seem to revive him. After he lands and lets Dortmunder off the plane, the buddy finally wakes up and the pilot suffers from severe frustration from not being able to convince his buddy that the whole event even happened. The buddy thinks he is making it all up. And who wouldn't think that?!

Hope this clears up any questions or confusion.
The biggest and most loyal fan of, "The Hot Rock".

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I have the dvd and all the scenes you mention are intact.

It's a dirty job, but I pay clean money for it.

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In the alternate versions page for this movie, it indicates there is a scene deleted from the end of the movie.

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Thanks, C-2. That probably explains it. Never thought to look right in front of my face for the answer!

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Ask me ANYthing about this film. It's my all-time favorite since age 11. The missing scenes are:

The bomb scene. Dortmunder and Greenberg, (Greenwood in the novel), go to a lake, (Which is really Malibu State Park), with the outside pretense of two guys fishing. When the coast is clear, Greenberg starts whipping out bombs and lighting them and throwing them into the brush so that Dortmunder can get an example of what bomb Greenberg has devised as the explosion to aid in their diversion tactic, (The first caper where the car crashes outside the Brooklyn Museum to distract the gaurds). It's a hilarious scene! He keeps bringing out bigger and better bombs and lighting them up. Dortmunder, a man of few words, says, 'Bigger'....each time. And Greenberg's little commentaries/editorializations are funny too. After the 3rd. bomb, Dortmunder says 'Bigger still'. Greenberg, trying not to be jilted, meekly says, "I'll work on it".
Great Scene.

The next scene they sometimes edit, because it doesn't advance the plot, is the scene where Dortmunder has a homecoming of sorts at his sisters place right after Kelp picks him up from jail. (in the book, Kelp and Dortmunder are not brothers in law but cousins of some sort) As Dortmunder is playing with his infant nephew on his knew, the kid pees on him. Dortmunder looks up to the other people in the room, Kelp and his sister, and says, "The kid's peeing on me". Later when, Dortmunder gives his speech of determination in the helicopter, he talks about how the emerald has jinxed him and he gives a littany of hardships he has had to endure while trying to make this score. One of the ones he lists, is "peed on". Also, "Robbed, Run over, shot at, ...and worst is gonna happen before it's done....etc.... Either I get IT, or IT GETS ME". His stregnth of resolve is apparent after the 3rd heist at the Police Station goes Awry.

The other scene is probably less footage during the actual helicopter ride. The usually cut some out on TV. It's a shame because it's a non dialogue but funny scene of the guys in the chopper looking like they are about to YARF! Also....During this long flying scene, you get a glimpse of the WTC Towers being built. Very impactful these days.

And the last scene they usually or sometimes cut, is right after Dortmunder leaves the bank with the stone and struts down the street happily to the tune of "When You Believe" in Dixieland Jaxx style. After he gets into the car and you hear the Dortmunder gang CHEER, the final scene they cut is Dr. Amusa, (Or Major Iko in the book), driving up to the bank with the attorney Prosker, and getting out to go to the Safety Deposit box. They of Course will come up empty handed.

In the book, there are two additional capers that are not included in the film. But the film does it justice, or I should say that William Goldman, the screenwrite, does it justice, by not including them. The two additional capers are breaking into an insane asylym, where the attorney has sequestered himself for safe keeping for a while, in order to spring Prosker and force him into giving them the information of where the Balabomo Emerald is. The last and final caper in the book is Dortmunder on the run when he learns of a double cross by Prosker and Iko, and Dortmunder hijacks a plane at the airport, of sorts. He hops on and tells the pilot just to go wherever he was headed. The pilot does it, but all the while, his buddy sleeps through it and he can't seem to revive him. After he lands and lets Dortmunder off the plane, the buddy finally wakes up and the pilot suffers from severe frustration from not being able to convince his buddy that the whole event even happened. The buddy thinks he is making it all up. And who wouldn't think that?!

Hope this clears up any questions or confusion.
The biggest and most loyal fan of, "The Hot Rock".

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I have thought of going over and having a look see. Too late, I guess.
Great movie though.

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Ask me ANYthing about this film. It's my all-time favorite since age 11. The missing scenes are:

The bomb scene. Dortmunder and Greenberg, (Greenwood in the novel), go to a lake, (Which is really Malibu State Park), with the outside pretense of two guys fishing. When the coast is clear, Greenberg starts whipping out bombs and lighting them and throwing them into the brush so that Dortmunder can get an example of what bomb Greenberg has devised as the explosion to aid in their diversion tactic, (The first caper where the car crashes outside the Brooklyn Museum to distract the gaurds). It's a hilarious scene! He keeps bringing out bigger and better bombs and lighting them up. Dortmunder, a man of few words, says, 'Bigger'....each time. And Greenberg's little commentaries/editorializations are funny too. After the 3rd. bomb, Dortmunder says 'Bigger still'. Greenberg, trying not to be jilted, meekly says, "I'll work on it".
Great Scene.

The next scene they sometimes edit, because it doesn't advance the plot, is the scene where Dortmunder has a homecoming of sorts at his sisters place right after Kelp picks him up from jail. (in the book, Kelp and Dortmunder are not brothers in law but cousins of some sort) As Dortmunder is playing with his infant nephew on his knew, the kid pees on him. Dortmunder looks up to the other people in the room, Kelp and his sister, and says, "The kid's peeing on me". Later when, Dortmunder gives his speech of determination in the helicopter, he talks about how the emerald has jinxed him and he gives a littany of hardships he has had to endure while trying to make this score. One of the ones he lists, is "peed on". Also, "Robbed, Run over, shot at, ...and worst is gonna happen before it's done....etc.... Either I get IT, or IT GETS ME". His stregnth of resolve is apparent after the 3rd heist at the Police Station goes Awry.

The other scene is probably less footage during the actual helicopter ride. The usually cut some out on TV. It's a shame because it's a non dialogue but funny scene of the guys in the chopper looking like they are about to YARF! Also....During this long flying scene, you get a glimpse of the WTC Towers being built. Very impactful these days.

And the last scene they usually or sometimes cut, is right after Dortmunder leaves the bank with the stone and struts down the street happily to the tune of "When You Believe" in Dixieland Jaxx style. After he gets into the car and you hear the Dortmunder gang CHEER, the final scene they cut is Dr. Amusa, (Or Major Iko in the book), driving up to the bank with the attorney Prosker, and getting out to go to the Safety Deposit box. They of Course will come up empty handed.

In the book, there are two additional capers that are not included in the film. But the film does it justice, or I should say that William Goldman, the screenwrite, does it justice, by not including them. The two additional capers are breaking into an insane asylym, where the attorney has sequestered himself for safe keeping for a while, in order to spring Prosker and force him into giving them the information of where the Balabomo Emerald is. The last and final caper in the book is Dortmunder on the run when he learns of a double cross by Prosker and Iko, and Dortmunder hijacks a plane at the airport, of sorts. He hops on and tells the pilot just to go wherever he was headed. The pilot does it, but all the while, his buddy sleeps through it and he can't seem to revive him. After he lands and lets Dortmunder off the plane, the buddy finally wakes up and the pilot suffers from severe frustration from not being able to convince his buddy that the whole event even happened. The buddy thinks he is making it all up. And who wouldn't think that?!

Hope this clears up any questions or confusion.
The biggest and most loyal fan of, "The Hot Rock".

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I just got an email that "thehotrock-1" had made that last post. I was surprised to see all of the others after checking the board because I hadn't received any other email notifications.

Anyway, thanks so much for filling us all in on the commonly edited scenes. I forgot to come back after buying a copy of the VHS (on ebay for about $5). I watched it so long ago, I can't recall if any of those scenes were missing. Of course I do remember them all, but it's possible I'm remembering them from the original screening way back when.

It's unthinkable that they would actually cut the Dortmunder Greenburg bomb scene. That should never be cut.

Just for fun, I'm going to go out on a limb here and ask if anyone has an interest in any of my other favorite movies from the same general time frame as The Hot Rock.

These are basically the movies that I remember well and continued to watch as much as possible over the years since childhood.

Kelly's Heroes, The Eiger Sanction, Sleuth, Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid, The Sting, Where Eagles Dare.. These are the ones that come to mind at the moment. I'm not purporting these are all great, or the only good movies from '69 to '74 or there "abouts", just that they stand out as the movies I loved as I ended pre-pubescence (I was born in '61). Anyone want to start a new thread?

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I 've got some...The Yakuza,..Hickey & Boggs(classic),...The Cowboys,..A New Leaf(very funny),Sometimes a Great Notion,,Ulzana's Raid...American Graffiti,...True Grit(if only for the scenes between Strother Martin & Kim Darby) Kelly's Heroes and The Hot Rock, I never tire of watching.

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Hey Grubstaker58, I still enjoy Kelly's Heroes and American Grafitti too. I've watched them many times. Kelly's Heroes was one of my favorites as a kid and teenager. Cosby & Culp were great in Hickey & Boggs! I've seen True Grit and The Cowboys too. I've heard of Ulzana's Raid, but can't remember if I've seen it. Thanks for your suggestions. Unfortunately, Netflix doesn't have any of them. I'll have to check local video stores next time I get a chance.

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