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Why did Michael exclude Tom from the Vegas dealings?


The explanation was that he wasn't a war time consiglerie and that things were going to take place that he couldn't be a part of, but did both Dons just not trust Tom to handle an aspect of the move or did it have anything to do with him not being Sicilian? Even in the second movie when Michael confides more to Tom, I sensed a bit of disconnect between the two adopted brothers.

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My guess would be Michael didn't have a bond with Tom like Sonny had with Tom. Michael never expressed his feelings on Don bringing Tom into the family and raising him. It was Sonny that brought Tom home and Don's decision to make him a family member.

But remember Sonny also expresses dissatisfaction with Tom as consilere. Amid a heated exchange with Tom over executing Tatalia, something that Tom is against, Sonny unloads on Tom and says, "Goddammit! If I had wartime consilere, a Sicilian, I wouldn't be in this shape. Pop had Genc and look what I have." Although Sonny was contrite about what he says, he makes it clear that Tom didn't have his confidence.

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Michael said to Tom when he goes into hiding in GF2 that he saw him as a brother and he didnt let him in on everything because he loved and respected tom and didn't want him to lose love for michael or have to deal with the reality of the kind of decisions he had to make ie people being ordered to be killed.

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Michael didn't trust Tom's capabilities as a wartime consigliere, and he didn't want a non-combatant like Tom to be involved in the war, which would mean that Tom would be a target and, coldly, a liability.

Michael genuinely loved Tom, and was protecting him. In order to truly protect him, though, Michael had to convince anybody who was watching that Tom did not have his full confidence; that way, the other families would overlook tom as a player in the mob war.

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Actually the more I think about it, the more that makes a lot of sense. It even kinda explains the coldness with which Michael treats Tom in the first film; as if he needed even Tom to be convinced of that lack of confidence. After all, the capos and Carlo were present and even they couldn't be completely trusted at that point. It was only Vito who decided to step in for a second to reassure Tom, if somewhat vaguely. Thanks for the explanation. Now I want to dig out the book again.

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Tom was not a "wartime consiliere" is the key to his demotion. The fact that he was shocked to learn from Vito that it was "Barzini all along," proved that he was out of his depth. So, while the Don was weakened, he was still in control of his faculties and better able to counsel Michael. He knew the ins and outs of was strategies that Tom could never grasp.

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Good point, but that seems to contradict his cold demeanor towards Tom in the first movie and even some moments in the second movie. Was Micheal just telling Tom that to help him accept his demotion? There were no shows of affection for Tom prior to that.

If Michael was simply "protecting" Tom by treating him as a "sheltered outsider", for lack of a better description, why the need to withhold that info from Tom for so long?


I think the key to understanding the relationship between Tom and Michael was hinted early on, after the hospital scene where they're discussing what their next move would be after hearing Sollozzo's offer to have a meeting. Keeping in mind that Sonny and Tom are about the same age, and the closeness of their relationship as brothers and both deeply involved in the family business, they both would have viewed Michael as the "baby brother," the nice college boy who was essentially outside of the family business.

In the early scene, Sonny is all set to hit Sollozzo, with a hundred button men out on the streets looking for this guy. Tom is using every ounce of persuasion to talk Sonny out of it, as he finally relents to Tom's badgering and desire to patch things up. That's when Michael opens up and says "we can't wait." So, Michael recognizes that Tom seems to hold the upper hand a bit, in that he had a way of persuading Sonny that few others had. He also recognized that Tom was giving bad advice to Sonny, and ostensibly believed that Sonny was wrong in taking Tom's advice.

Tom's advice always seemed more towards the non-violent path, wanting to negotiate and make a deal rather than kill someone. This seemed to be a recurring theme in Tom's character, and perhaps Michael felt that it wasn't really suitable for the job in question. As Michael said, "it's no reflection on Tom," that is, it didn't mean that he was incompetent or disloyal, but that he just didn't seem cut out for the position.

Also, in the final flashback scene from GFII, they're at the table, and Tom tells Mike that "your father and I have been discussing your future," which Michael seems to resent that a bit - "you and my father are discussing my future?" Even if Tom was just a step-brother, he may have still seen him as a kind of "big brother" that he didn't really want as consigliere. Another recurring element in GFII was that the people he was dealing with (Roth, Pentangeli, etc.) were all older - more from his father's generation - and saw Michael as some kind of "junior mobster," something Michael had to overcome and prove that he was not to be underestimated or trifled with. Even Fredo thought he was stepped over and resented his younger brother for that.

Also, in GFII, there were a couple of scenes where Michael shows impatience with Tom, as if he's thinking that Tom's job performance was faltering. In fact, it's interesting to see how much Tom changes from the beginning of GFI, where he's a hot-shot young lawyer with reliable, useful intel, such as finding out that Sollozzo was backed by the Tattaglias and that McCluskey was on his payroll. But later on in GFII, when Roth is on the run, Michael has to inform Tom of Roth's whereabouts from a newspaper article that totally took Tom by surprise. Tom was no longer on top of his game, spending too much time with his mistress and not minding the store and keeping an eye on things as he used to.

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I think that cold demeanor was more about Coppola trying to show Michael's evolution into the new don, Coppola always looked at the Godfather as more of a character study than an action film.

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Others answers have covered it pretty well but didn't they also say they needed him as their lawyer and therefore he couldn't be involved in the moves they were about to make (murdering the heads of the other families)?

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I always interpreted it in part as Michael keeping Tom insulated in case Michael at some point really needs someone with Tom's competence to handle things.

Remember how in GF I, Sollozzo kidnapped Tom to try to get the Corleones into the drug business? Tom was a target because of his high position (as Vito's consigliere).

In some respects, the less Tom knew, the better. In GF II, when the failed hit happened, Tom's isolation was EXACTLY the reason why Michael knew Tom was the only person he could trust.

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The question has been fully answered by other posters. Tom was a good lawyer (one of the first things Michael says about him, at the wedding), but not a good consigliere.

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My take was that it was all part of a big act. Michael had every intention of bringing Tom right back into the family business once he "cleaned up" the other families. He wanted Tessio and Clemenza to feel trusted so that he could determine which of them would eventually betray him (he knew Tom would never do that). In that same scene he made Carlo feel like he was going to be his "right-hand man" in Vegas (yeah, right!) so that Carlo would feel comfortable while Michael plotted his demise for fingering Sonny.

Just seeing how much Michael relied on Tom in Part II made it clear that he never truly wanted him out of the family business--it was all an act (perhaps largely orchestrated by Vito) to make the others in the room feel safer than they really were. Tom was the apparent "fall guy", but, truth be told, he was the safest of them all in Michael's eyes.


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Exactly this.

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Plausible deniability.

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Also Tom was not even Italian. He was Germany/Irish

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Genco was Vito's consigliere. Tom acted as The Family lawyer and as such had deep knowledge of The Family's dealings. He was more of a legal aid to Don Corleone while Genco was still alive, and proved instrumental in securing legal, legitimate deals that typically had illegal implications. He was also instrumental in helping get Michael into an Ivy League school. We'll revisit that in a moment.

After Genco's passing (which occurs off-screen around the time of the beginning of the film), with Vito grooming Sonny to eventually be the new Don, Tom stepped in as Consigliere because of his deep knowledge of the family business and its current arrangements. The intention was for Tom to become the Consigliere for Sonny, so he was also being groomed during this time. Tom and Sonny had a much stronger bond and deeper relationship, and was several years older than Michael.

The problem with Tom is that while he was capable of negotiating seedy and illegal dealings, he strived to maintain a positive public image and work within the realm of the law. For example - the horse head. Tom attempted fair negotiation, but it was Vito who gave the order and dispatched the soldier to take care of the situation with the horse, not Tome. So while he was involved in the family business, he still had a potential out should he ever decide he wants to pursue a legal career elsewhere.

This is why Sollozzo did not harm Tom when he kidnapped him early in the film - there is a code of honor amongst the Mafia, and he knows that Tom is a civilian that is not fully entrenched in The Family's operation - he was their legal council only. It would be a significant breach of "etiquette" so to speak to harm Tom in any way. Tom's grooming as Consigliere was not publicly known at this time. Thus, Sollozzo only kidnapped Tom to deliver a message to the Corleone family, - he did so peaceably and without harming Tom in the slightest (other than giving him a good scare).

As someone whose mind was more in keeping with legitimate business affairs, Tom was an ineffective consigliere. Sonny even complains "Pop had Genco, look what I got" shortly after the Godfather's assassination attempt when Tom strongly urges him AGAINST taking vengeance. Michael saw that Tom was not prepared to get his hands dirty just yet, and he even oversteps Tom's advice and suggests to Sonny that he could kill Sollozzo and the police chief himself.

Michael does not fully trust Tom because of things that had gone on in the past. When Michael announced to the family that he was dropping out of college to join the Marines to fight in World War II (the scene at the end of Godfather II), Tom tells Michael that he and the Don had to pull a lot of strings to get him into college, and that they had discussed Michael's future many times. Michael's response to Tome is "You talked to MY father about MY future?" Clearly, Michael views Tom as an outsider, not truly a part of the family...at least not at this point.

So, by the time they get to Vegas, Michael has taken over the role as Don, with Vito semi-retiring (he continues to oversee small parts of the family business). Michael pulls Tom out, citing the reason that there is no better Consigliere than his own father. He wanted Tom to handle the legitimate side of the Family business, and the Vegas dealings would have to be done in a more strong-armed, heavy-handed manner. Tom did not have the mentality for it just yet.

We see later after Vito's death that Hagen remains close at Michael's side at all times, and he even begins to develop a stern, almost ruthless side. This becomes more evident in Godfather Part II, when Tom is even more directly involved with the Family business and has fully assumed the role of consigliere.

TL:DR - Tom still didn't have Michael's trust. He earned it over time, but at that point Michael still viewed Tom as a bit of an outsider, not fit to be a consigliere, especially with what was happening amongst the Families.

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Great explanation. I'd just like to add (and this is just my feeling), Michael probably was a little bit standoff-ish towards Tom because Tom was, growing up, more Sonny's friend, and Michael may have, in the back of his mind, kind of jealous that Tom may have been closer to Vito than Michael was.

Even though Tom chose not to get heavily into the "gangster" side of the Corleone Family business, he was still pivotal to the family, as a lawyer. Michael chose not to get involved in the Family business initially, but did so by joining the army, which wasn't really what Vito wanted of him.

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Another extra point, maybe Michael dismissed Tom for their relationship's sake. The irony of putting Tom out is that it created more trust between them than before, you really see some connection between the two men, just like in the funeral scene when Michael is basically revealing his plan to Tom.

Maybe Michael wasn't as cold-hatted as we think, and the best way to maintain a good (almost brotherly) relationship with Tom was to never let him mix in the business. That's what he probably meant in Part II, when he said he wanted to protect him.

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