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the two guys were gay

posted 16 years ago by G_man2
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im sorry if this had been brough up....remember when alice peers into the crack of the door. its her boyfriend in bed with the other guy (sorry about the forgotten character names).

recall alice saying how they 'fool girls'.

angry, alice chucked a weight of some kind against the wall and hightailed it out of that apartment. curious, one guy came to the door to see what the ruckus was. at that moment, you get just a quick hint that the body in bed with him was the other guy.

it was all very quick and subtle.

[–] horrorchick5 16 years ago

it was richie and someone else i forgot his name. i cracked up when i read that part.

[–] G_man2 16 years ago

so- you agree with me? you did notice it was two guys in bed?
to me, thats mind-blowing-- being a made-for-TV movie, and the suggestion of homosexual sex in the early 70s, when it was still very much taboo.

[–] Lady_Willy_B 16 years ago

Yea the guy in bed with him was like his best friend or something

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[–] MystMoonstruck 16 years ago

Yes, Seventies films addressed homosexuality, including "That Certain Summer" (1972), in which a boy learns that his father is gay and meets his lover. (I don't recall the term "bisexual" being used back then.) "The Glass House" (1970?) dealt with homosexuality in prison and included a decidedly shocking rape scene. This was not forbidden subject matter back then. I'm certain that there are a number of others that I could list.

I'm certain that everyone was aware of what the girls learned about the guys. It's quite obvious in the book and the movie. Then, there's the strange couple the girls stay with.

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[–] BugisStreetAnnie 15 years ago

I remember the 1970s movie "Born Innocent" with Linda Blair, where Nora Heflin plays a tough lesbian.

My favorite line (even though there were a few of them) was when she asked Linda's character: You got a boyfriend? (pause) A girlfriend?

I know some lesbians who would walk right up to someone and ask that, too.

[–] Xcalat3 15 years ago

really?

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[–] Paul_Kersey_Jr 15 years ago

Hmmm...I missed that- I couldve swore they showed some other girls with the guys for a split second. After she threw the paperweight, I do remember both guys at the door, shirtless, saying "who was that"? But I thought the girls they were with were back in the apartment.

[–] ElectricKoolaidAcid 14 years ago

You must be fools. It clearly was a bushy-eyebrowed, Indian-looking woman that was on top of Alice's BF in the film. She said they were "being used" after that because she realized they didn't really love them- they just used their naivety to turn them out as drug dealers, which both Alice and and Kris clearly became. And free sex with teen girls, of course.

[–] gallileo60 14 years ago

In the book, it is two guys in bed, no if, and or buts about it.....Not sure in the movie, its been a while..I reread the book about once a year just for the hell of it....

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[–] ElectricKoolaidAcid 13 years ago

Yeah you're right. I read the book again recently and they both were indeed gay. I could have sworn the person she peers through the crack (in the movie) was a bushy-eyebrowed woman though.

[–] SnoozeAlarm 12 years ago

>>> You must be fools. It clearly was a bushy-eyebrowed, Indian-looking woman that was on top of Alice's BF in the film.

You are correct. There are two clear shots of this woman in bed with some guy whose face you can't see.

Then, about 2 seconds later, after Alice runs out, two naked guys appear in the doorway wondering who it was.

So the scene was not filmed and/or edited very coherently. Perhaps this was done deliberately, so that it would less obvious what was going on.

As others have pointed out, there is no ambiguity in the book. Alice says something along the lines of: "I caught the two bastards stoned, making love to each other".

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[–] shanehaynes 11 years ago

Never read the book but am watching the movie now and paused, rewound this scene several times. Clearly when Alice goes into the apt and peeks into the room there is a GIRL w/long dark hair in the bed however after she chunks whatever at the wall and runs out 2 half naked guys come to the door and ask "who was that". I'm thinking the 2 guys were having a threesome w/the girl.

[–] roarmeister2 13 years ago

Perhaps in the book but in the movie there was definitely a long haired brunette gal on the mattress and a gal's voice could be heard though the door.

[–] mp989 12 years ago

I always thought that this was some attempt to show at how messed up everyone had become by then--Alice wasn't even sure if she saw him with a guy or a girl, but maybe I'm giving them too much credit. When we had to watch this in school back in the early 90s, that was pretty much the number one thing everyone talked about (I pity our poor teacher who was probably forced to show it was misguided--by 1994 LSD was not really the threat other drugs are--never mind that as others have commented, while a drug that can cause serious troubles it's not a supremely addictive drug as Alice claims--and the heavy handed "poor innocent girl gets slipped a drug at a party and goes full on druggie/basically prostitute within a month or so, gets her life back in order it seems, but then we're told in voice over she died of an overdose a month later" caused more confusion and laughter than its scared straight message).

The author of the book, of course, Beatrice Spark was a well intentioned Mormon woman who used these books (which I'm sure did have elements of real life teenagers stories--one ofthe followups Jay's Diary got her ina lot of trouble from "Jay's" family who trusted her with the real diary and were nearly destroyed by all the satanic elements she added to it), and she used them to scare teens into morality lessons. SHe never did a book about homosexuality, but I always did wonder if she was trying, in Alice, to equate the fact that these loser dealers were really gay (or at least bisexual) as a further point about how evil they were. But that's probably reading too much into it, and she just wanted to show clearly that they had no real love for "Alice".

[–] Devans00 9 years ago

I knew the 2 guys were gay as soon as Alice said Chris and her boyfriends could only have sex if they were high. That's the opposite of how straight boys/young men behave.

I like the misdirection of the movie. First show a long haired androgynous person, then show the blonde boy looking over the dark haired boy's shoulder at the door. It's a sign of the times, the TV powers that by were scared of the gay.

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[–] jrregan 9 years ago

Gays didn't sell tickets or sponsors. Period.

[–] jrregan 9 years ago

Gays didn't sell tickets or sponsors. Period.