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Some points of overview


I consider THE COWBOYS one of my alltime favorite films, but I had not seen it for maybe a year or 2 until I watched my tape last week. There are a few points I will mention that watching it brought back, and perhaps some will stir discussion on this board.

First, John Wayne IS a good actor. It's largely true that John Wayne movies, at least from the mid or late 50's onward, are all about John Wayne, not the *particular* character he plays. McClintock, Rooster Cogburn, Big Jake .... they are all about the man who has been rough in talk and walk, and mock, if necessary, who took advantage of what American offered and has little patience with those who don't do the same. But the Wil Andersen he plays here is a good variation of that character. He has made his own way as a rancher, obviously through a lot of danger and hardship over many years, and when his hands see an unlikely get-rich-quick plan they prove they are disloyal, so he tells them to "Get the hell off my spread-- now!" But he shows he is also a haunted man as he stands by the graves of his 2 sons, and it is then and there, by his face, that we know he has chosen to give the boys from the local school a chance; a chance to prove their worth in a job they are determined to try while they don't have the maturity, as well as giving himself another chance in being the father figure. Of course, in remaining true to the rough character, he denies any fatherly affection for the boys... until he lays dying, another variation from his portrayal of 'his' character, except for the final and symbolic "The Shootist."

Next point, although I don't want to dwell on it, is that I got a copy of the novel several years ago, and expectedly Hollywood changes, simplifies, and cleans up the original work. One notable difference from the movie is that Wil's wife is feisty, much more outspoken, and actually resentful that she will have to cook for the boys while they are rounding up and cutting the herd. In the movie she says "I don't mind-- I like the sound of boys." And then the parents play a greater role in questioning Wil's wisdom in taking their boys on a trail drive; so Wil has a difficult time convincing them that this arrangement will work, when he himself is even less certain than they are. And Charlie Schwartz is handicapped but still picks fights-- in the book it is he, not 'Slim,' that jumps Cimmaron-- and he is willing to do anything to not be left out. "Longhair," never otherwise named in the novel, appears in the town and becomes known to Andersen as a dangerous scumbag; he doesn't come looking for work. When the boys meet the brothel, Nightlinger arranges for them to be serviced; in the movie it's quite the opposite. Finally, in the novel the rustlers do capture Weedy, but instead of him just getting a few bruises, they tie him to a stake and burn his feet, and after he rejoins his friends he can't walk.

I had never paid much attention before, but in watching the movie it was intersting to notice the 'silent' cowboy, Steve. Played by Steve Benedict, I don't think he ever says a word of dialogue, which seems unusual since he is one of the 2 biggest ones; the other is Slim, then later joined by a third, Cimmaron. He and Cimmaron are the ones nighthawking when the others steal the bottle of whisky, or else we might hear from him then. Maybe his lines were just the victims of film editing, but it seems strange he doesn't talk.

When Mr. Nightlinger enters the bunkhouse where he will spend the first night with 10 boys as companions, this seems a ridiculous scene to include. They are taken with him as "the first *beep* we ever saw," but then he tells them a crazy story to make them afraid of him. Later, he never becomes buddies with them, but in the tradition of trail cooks he does become 'like mama and papa;' besides feeding them, he gives medicines, gets them and up and to sleep, et al. In that bunkhouse scene, it's hard to tell whether he was establishing this relationship by letting them know he's not to be defied, or if he is trying to destroy it and cancel the whole deal he has gotten himself into. And the fact that he speaks better English than anyone else in the movie, except maybe schoolmarm (as little as we see of her), is indicative of contradictions; so maybe it's not surprising that he does in the end mastermind the plan to get the herd back and take care of the rustlers.

Which is the final point here. There is not much really unbelievable about the progress of events until this final act. Although I could name dozens of reasons their "plan" wouldn't work, they are easy to see, so we can leave it at that. But if there is a need to resolve the great crime and have the "good guys" not only win but be heroic as they prevail, it's hard to think of a better idea for the resolution.

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Great evaluation, cynic2all. I would just like to expand on your kudos to the Duke's acting. I am a huge John Wayne fan and have seen many of his films (some many times over!). In my humble opinion, this was clearly Wayne's best acting job of the big bunch. Maybe it was the director, but John Wayne made Wil Anderson absolutely real. Wil's death scene with the boys gathered around him is a true gem which merits repeated viewing. Throughout the entire film, a certain stiffness is absent from Wayne's acting which had a forced feel in so many of his other films. If he had not received the oscar for True Grit prior to this performance, he certainly would have merited it for The Cowboys.

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I have to agree with you all in saying that this is a great film, maybe one of his best. I too am and huge John Wayne fan, thanks to my grandpa. I agree he did bring a lot to the character of Wil Andersen.

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This is for the first person who left the overview, but Steve does say some lines, but it is a shame that he didn't say much more. I belive that's the same with Jim, played by Sam O'Brien. Just telling you. (:

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I really don't remember Steve having any lines of dialogue. The only times he makes a sound seem to be, maybe, when they are herding the horses back to the corral and they are all going "Hey-yah! Heh-- heh!!..." Jim does have some dialogue, but very little. He is the one Wil pushes off his horse because he is virtually asleep ["Sorry, Mr. Andersen."]; and a little more at the whiskey theft and pass-it-around part, during which Steve is nighthawking, along with Cimarron.

It seems, by memory, that the most lines by cowboy are: (1)Cimarron, (2)Slim, (3)Fats, (4)Charlie, (5)Homer, (6)Dan, (7)Bob, (8)Weedy, (9)Hardy, (10)Jim(my), (11)Steve.

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Yep, but right before they steal the whiskey, when fats, charlie and steve are riding next to each other, steve has a few lines.

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If he had not received the oscar for True Grit prior to this performance, he certainly would have merited it for The Cowboys.


Wayne might have merited it in a general sense, but I severely doubt that he would have received the Best Actor Oscar over Marlon Brando in The Godfather. The media and the Academy responded to Wayne's performance in True Grit because of its crusty relish. By accentuating his persona, Wayne offered the kind of showy performance that typically receives rewards. However, few observers would argue that True Grit represents Wayne's best acting work, and I agree that his subtlety and realism in The Cowboys are more impressive. In effect, Wayne replaces Rooster Cogburn's sentiment with real poignancy.

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wayne did a great job in true grit.but it was the fashion to go with brando,the duke did not 'accentuate his persona'in true grit,he simply imitated wallace beery,,and did a good job,AND wayne' job in 'the cowboys'was by far the best that he or anyone else could do,the cowboys is the standard,that westerns will be judged

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<the duke did not 'accentuate his persona'in true grit,he simply imitated wallace beery>

I never made the comparison between the two before, but now that you mention it....although it's been years since I've seen True Grit & memory has dimmed.

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I would just like to say that I am a huge John Wayne fan; so much so that I have a collection of his movies. The Cowboys was a great movie except for the part that he was killed. I don't like the way he was killed and I hate Bruce Dern as an actor for it. It was awful and not a good way to show him dying.

"Oh, I hate that Bruce Dern!"

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sad to say about the duke,he made it look so easy,no one thought he was acting

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First, John Wayne IS a good actor. It's largely true that John Wayne movies, at least from the mid or late 50's onward, are all about John Wayne, not the *particular* character he plays. McClintock, Rooster Cogburn, Big Jake .... they are all about the man who has been rough in talk and walk, and mock, if necessary, who took advantage of what American offered and has little patience with those who don't do the same.


I'd say that that's especially true beginning with McClintock! in 1963. Wayne's character is The Man Who Shot Liberty Valence (John Ford, 1962), is surprisingly melancholic, tragic, and fatalistic.

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Next point, although I don't want to dwell on it, is that I got a copy of the novel several years ago, and expectedly Hollywood changes, simplifies, and cleans up the original work. One notable difference from the movie is that Wil's wife is feisty, much more outspoken, and actually resentful that she will have to cook for the boys while they are rounding up and cutting the herd. In the movie she says "I don't mind-- I like the sound of boys." And then the parents play a greater role in questioning Wil's wisdom in taking their boys on a trail drive; so Wil has a difficult time convincing them that this arrangement will work, when he himself is even less certain than they are. And Charlie Schwartz is handicapped but still picks fights-- in the book it is he, not 'Slim,' that jumps Cimmaron-- and he is willing to do anything to not be left out. "Longhair," never otherwise named in the novel, appears in the town and becomes known to Andersen as a dangerous scumbag; he doesn't come looking for work. When the boys meet the brothel, Nightlinger arranges for them to be serviced; in the movie it's quite the opposite. Finally, in the novel the rustlers do capture Weedy, but instead of him just getting a few bruises, they tie him to a stake and burn his feet, and after he rejoins his friends he can't walk.


Interesting, and thanks for sharing. Remember, though, that The Cowboys emerged in the early 1970s, when Hollywood was more willing to take chances and lose its old censoriousness. Films such as Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969) and The Beguiled (Don Siegel, 1971), to name but a couple, broke all kinds of social (and sexual) taboos. However, Wayne was very conscious and particular about the content of his films, and I'm sure that he indeed wanted the novel to be "cleaned up" and its material to be shifted in line with his ideological tenets. As a result, his character's wife becomes dutiful rather than independent, and an encounter with the whores is gracefully avoided rather than indulged. In my view, there is a puritanical stringency to The Cowboys, and I'll bet that Wayne played a role in shaping that. I'm not saying whether that's a positive or a negative, but the film might have been even stronger and more complex had the filmmakers adhered to the novel. Nonetheless, The Cowboys stands with The Shootist (Don Siegel, 1976) as a truly remarkable Western from late in John Wayne's career (say, 1963-1976).

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john wayne''the cowboys' is right up there with ladd''shane''coop' 'high noon''fonda''clementine''holden''wild bunch'they are westerns at their very best

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