Off the Wall Question


I don't know why I wonder about these things, but...this movie famously had a 1 million dollar budget. They also had a HUGE product placement from American Airlines, as well as several other smaller ones. So, like, did the million clams INCLUDE the product placement money, or was that added to it? I'm just wondering because, if the studio said, here's a million bucks, go make a movie, then the product placement dough comes rolling in, would the studio just pocket that and make the director suffer under the same budget constraints?

Was there even the concept of product placement back then?

==JJS==

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Mind you, I speak from absolutely no experience or even knowledge on the subject. Zip. Nil. Nada.

But I contend that the budget is set and the product placement royalties are used to offset the financial risk to the studio itself. Also it eases the pain if the film goes over budget.

I imagine no director would willingly take on product placement but will work it in as best they can as a matter of necessity. And perhaps they DO demand a cut of that money, either personally or for the film- for the effort and compromise.

More than anything, I wanted to respond because this is a great film that's nearly 40 years old and needs the board to remain active.




Aye. The haggis is in the fire for sure.

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I recall reading somewhere that there was some production assistance provided by the companies shown, but I don't know if that was in the form of product consideration (the "Ditch Witch" digger shown in the film, for example, along with other props such as the pool ball machine), or money.

"It's people..."

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I imagine no director would willingly take on product placement...


"Product placement" usually also means "financial backing." Why would any director turn down such free money? Out of some silly sense of purity and nobleness? I think not...

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It's not exactly "free money". It's advertising, and it can be distracting
if not handled with subtlety. Watch the Goonies (great film) and try
not to notice Mouth carefully holding a pepsi can in plain view.
If the Mona Lisa was holding a pepsi can, would detract from its artistic
value? Maybe, maybe not... but it's unlikely the Director's vision included
such things.
In this movie it was mostly unobtrusive, so no harm done.

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Haha that would be pretty retarded if the Mona Lisa was holding a Pepsi can.

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Last year I was lucky enough to be present at a screening on Silent Running where Douglas Trumbull did a superlative introduction and Q&A.

One thing he mentioned was the involvement of Dow Chemical. Because of its manufacture of napalm and agent orange, and the use of them in the Vietnam War, Dow was not exactly a popular company at the time. They were approached to provide styrene for sets and props and you can see their logo quite prominently in the film - you'll notice it on the containers in the cargo hold. In return Dow got some good publicity in a film targeted at a youth audience (with an environmental message - quite at odds to what their products were doing in South East Asia).

This, I recall, was done so they wouldn't have to spend some of the budget on them - basically they got the stuff for free, possibly outside of studio control.

It's possible the same was true for American Airlines. If anything, the budget was increased by these deals.

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Some scifi benefits from using recognizable logos. I wonder if they ever did it just because and not for royalties?

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I'm pretty sure that it wasn't the environmentalists that were complaining about Napalm and Agent Orange for their environmental impact as "defoliants". It was quite clear to anyone watching the evening news or reading Time or Life magazines that Napalm was an anti-personnel weapon, and by 1966 there were already charges that the US was violating the Geneva Convention's rules against biological and chemical weapons pertaining to certain weapon apsects of Napalm and Agent Organge, which was sprayed throughout the forests and overtly over the food supply. Agent Orange, "accidentally" containing contaminating dioxin compounds, potent toxins, as shown in the lives of the Vietnamese, US Vets and their offspring.

Interestingly, to this day, no one is really taking any action toward the ongoing assault on our food supply and the independant farmer by Dow, Dupont, and Monsanto, et al. Nothing changes...

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My uncle Edward Ring headed a class action law suit here in Canada for agent orange. They received 96 million.. here is a link to one of the articles. You are right people have to speak out more often. Cheers! http://www.thetelegram.com/Health/2010-04-01/article-1436641/Judge-halts-Agent-Orange-classaction-lawsuit/1

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