What I don't get


For the life of me, why didn't Dave Garver (Eastwood) even just tell her to slag off once and for all? He was always accepting her and going to her, more or less leading Evelyn on. I mean, she probably would've continued stalking him,but at least then he could say that he wasn't leading her on at all. Also, why wouldn't he tell the cops about her? I know the suicide thing he thought would hurt his career, but after she attacked the maid, you'd think he'd tell the cops the truth - "this chick's psycho. Take her away." What about a restraining order? Its hard to be sympathetic of a guy who's getting himself into as much trouble as finding him.

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I think his first mistake was having sex with her. I guess you could say the movie is a revenge for the whole man not calling back thing. I found myself routing for Dave later, after I had routed for Evelyn for a half hour. I stopped after she slit her wrists.

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LOL... I'm wondering about the gender and/ or promiscuity of the originator of this question (as in - you must be a member of low promiscuity and/ or logical female). Anyone who has been in the protaganist's situation recognizes it immediately, and it was well played out here (and in the subtle "remake" of 'Fatal Attraction').

The bottom line is that the protagonist thinks he's just having a 'fling' which is supported by the woman's initial actions. What cannot be foreseen -- whether by choice or ignorance -- is the eventual 'attachement'. In these cases, the pursued generally doesn't want to be seen as the 'bad guy' by telling the 'pursuer' that he/ she should go to hell. The protagonist likes the attention and the sex, but doesn't want to deal with the fallout of the other person getting 'too attached'. This movie is a pretty good study in the 'cake and eat it too' attitudes of guys/ girls that want to play around, but don't want the responsiblity of dealing with the other person getting 'attached'.

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If you're bothered by a stalker, just stalk them back! Nobody is ever interested in someone who has sunk to their level.

As for the "why didn't" questions, those can be applied to every movie. Why didn't he blah blah blah? Because if he did, the movie would have only been 23 minutes long, silly.

Maybe they could have a film festival of films that resolve themselves quickly when the characters act like normal people. And every film would end in 23 minutes.

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stalk them back - i love it! i wonder if anyone has actually tried that?

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And these stalking sorts of situations do happen to "normal people" ...

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Jarpp.......well said!

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The bottom line is that the protagonist thinks he's just having a 'fling' which is supported by the woman's initial actions. What cannot be foreseen -- whether by choice or ignorance -- is the eventual 'attachement'. In these cases, the pursued generally doesn't want to be seen as the 'bad guy' by telling the 'pursuer' that he/ she should go to hell. The protagonist likes the attention and the sex, but doesn't want to deal with the fallout of the other person getting 'too attached'. This movie is a pretty good study in the 'cake and eat it too' attitudes of guys/ girls that want to play around, but don't want the responsiblity of dealing with the other person getting 'attached'.

Well said, Jarp.

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I think in a way he felt sorry for her up until he realized how crazy she really was when she tried to kill the lady who comes and cleans for him I think even when she slit her wrist he still felt sorry for her she wasn't a threat to him she hurt herself but when she tried to kill Birdie (I think that was her name the lady who comes and cleans) then he realized she is crazy...

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well, in the movie he takes the position that he can't talk to the police about her becuz he doesn't want the bad publicity - i guess he thinks it could compromise his job.....yet another BAD decision on his part! yeah, just ignore a psycho and they'll go away! uh-huh......

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I don't know if it's a guilty conscience as much as a sort of irresponsible passivity. Dave doesn't want to reject someone, nor does he desire to confront the consequences of his actions.

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after she attacked the maid, you'd think he'd tell the cops the truth - "this chick's psycho. Take her away."

Er, that's exactly what happened! It's just that later on, the psychiatric institution releases her. And as for a "restraining order," first, what would that have done? Evelyn was already trying to kill Dave by the end of the film. And secondly, aside from not wanting to generate negative publicity that could hamper his career, not many men sought "restraining orders" against women in the early 1970s.

He was always accepting her and going to her, more or less leading Evelyn on.

As Jarp mentioned, Dave enjoys the sex and affection as long as he believes that "no strings" will be attached and that no commitment will form. Egotistically, he certainly thinks that he can have his cake and eat it too, thus escaping the consequences of his philandering behavior. And as Jarp noted, Dave doesn't want to harshly reject Evelyn after all the flattering attention and sexual interest that she's shown him. So he decides to placate her, thinking that if he gives Evelyn her fill, eventually she'll be satisfied and stop pestering him, and he won't have to confront her in a rejecting manner. Indeed, Dave is not someone who wants to confront the consequences of his actions, and he'd rather hope that they fade away on their own. Instead, by placating her, Dave doesn't satisfy Evelyn but rather feeds her romantic dreams. His failure to be candid and responsible, and his willingness to indulge himself sexually regardless of the consequences, puts him in a deadly spot.

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joekidd.........also well written!

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Its called trying to be nice ! I guess you have never been in a situation with a person and not wanting to hurt their feelings.He was up front with her from the beginning about his ex and she said she understood and was fine with it.He didnt lead her on everytime she came around he told her and made it clear and each time she agreed to the terms.Just shows sometimes its better to be cold as ice and get it over with.I know I have encountered my share of stalker girls there are just as many psycho girls as psycho men out there these days ! Maybe its because every chick out there today is on some antidepressant or anxiety meds.Maybe if they dealt with real life and realized life is painful sometimes instead of running for a pill.HEY !!! Maybe if they had these dumb meds back then Evelyn might have behaved herself.LOL Nah.... I dont think so every whackO stalker girl I have come in contact with is on some prescribed "I wanna escape from reality drug."LOL

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Clint Eastwood himself said that it was difficult for him to play such a "weak" character. He was just a nice guy trying to muddle along really, which some people find difficult to accept because it's Clint Eastwood up there on the screen.

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Wow ! I never heard this before thanks for the info I thought his acting was terrific in this movie.

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To me, he acted like he simply didn't know what to do. Maybe he had always led a pretty sheltered, easy, smooth life and had never been around anyone like that before, ever.

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That's the whole point, pinecone - after all, have you ever come across anyone quite like her?

I sure as shootin' wouldn't have the first clue how to deal with her.

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:)

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If he had done all that then we wouldn't have a movie, would we?

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Exactly!

It's just like John Ford said, to someone who asked him why John Wayne's character in Stagecoach just didn't shoot the horses to stop the runaway stage: "Because then the move would have ended right there."

If Dave/Clint had acted the way most men would, then the movie would be over right there!

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He DID tell the cops the truth after the maid got attacked. They took her away and locked her up in a mental home but she was released.

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He never led her on. He told her what she needed to do. Are you a woman? And if he was too brutal towards her, you'd cite his non-compassion, insensitivity, and and misogyny.

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I think some of you guys are trying to read too much into this plot by psychoanalyzing the characters motives. Really? It's just a movie and it doesn't warrant such intensive study.

Now if Clint, the actor, perceived his character as weak, then I would say he did a bad job. He was still Clint like he is in everything else, only this time he showed more restraint and less impulsiveness.

We often imbue qualities in people and their work that may not even exist to the average viewer. I think a thousand other actors could have done this role and garnered more empathy and life to this role.

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