Roger Ebert's review


I like Roger Ebert but his review of The Devils has to be the worst review of his I have read. I'm not saying he should of given it a higher rating (although 0 stars is ridiculous) but there is so much sarcasm in the article and he doesn't provide a single reason why the movie is worthy of such a low rating...

Either that or it's not sarcasm, he absolutely loved the movie, but forgot to give it a rating...

Here it is:
http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/19710101/REVIEWS/101010305/1023

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He is indeed being a queenishly sarcastic tw*t, and, like many other reviews, his is riddled with inaccuracy and complete fabrication. 'Dead babies'? 'All the nuns without exception being young and stacked'? Just another case of faux 'outrage' that's more shockingly misconceived than the film itself could ever for one minute be accused of being.

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Roger Ebert is a fat *beep*

"Give up a dollar for Jesus!" Esa Hawks

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I have always loathed Roger Ebert and for the primary reason that be began the 'dumbing down' of film criticism with his silly TV show in the 1970's where him (and his since deceased co-host) gave thumbs up or thumbs down rating. Film criticism is not giving a rating to a film it's about writing about your views on the film, which doesn't include lines like "You'll love this film" which so many so-called critics of today use when reviewing. I limit my reviews to Film Comment and Sight and Sound, none of Eberts nonsense for me.

I also wouldn't expect Ebert to like most of Ken Russell films anyway.

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Pzachlen - amen to that. How this intellectually challenged poseur ever became a well-known and "respected" critic has always puzzled me.

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From what I read in the review, he liked it, but it probably left him with same feeling I had, utter hopelessness, drawn on further by the fact this all really happened. Thus giving it no stars I think it means he can't give it a rating, nor can I really, the acting is amazing and script work is fantastic, but it's not a film I want to watch again.

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I read one of Huxley books, and it left with same feeling. I think Huxley just very good at capturing this hopelessness. Another movie would rather not put myself through, but consider it masterpiece is Grave of Fireflies.

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Pliegeoi doesn't realize that (s)he is talking about the guy who wrote Russ Meyer's X-rated 'Beyond the Valley of the Dolls' which was roughly contemporaneous with 'The Devils.' Check the bit (among others) where Erica Gavin appears to fellate the barrel of a gun before it fires down her throat and makes blood spray out her nostrils.) So much for THAT argument.

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I understood your OP - you're whining about critiques you consider reactionary and hypocritical, in the most hypocritically reactionary terms possible. If you're going to criticize a professional critic, your own critical skills should be at least in the ballpark.

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You got that right.

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"...but being a fan of a critic takes a special kind of loser."
Says a wannabe critic of critics. LMFAO.
No comment on what kind of loser takes a movie critic's opinions personally.

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Pauline Kael was a cow. Her opinions mean nothing. For some reason people were told her reviews were important.

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Another amusing example of a lay-critic presuming to target a professional one - compare any single sentence from any of her reviews to, "Pauline Kael was a cow."

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@Pzachlen

What? Both Kael and Ebert were not only excellent writers, but excellent film critics---after reading one of their reviews, you actually wanted to go and see some of the movies they reviewed. That's what a good film critic does. Half of you botching and claiming Ebert wasn't all that simply because he didn't like this film (which a lot of people didn't, which was why it got banned in certain places---it's especially offensive if you're religious--Christian or Catholic in particular) is just plain BS, since he could write rings around everyone here backwards and with his eyes closed. I like The Devils too, because it's film that shakes you the hell out of your complacency and go, "WTF am I watching here? Damn!" It's a very dark,crazy as hell, challenging and equally disturbing as hell flick,which is why it took forever to get on DVD.

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Criticism you don't agree with, for whatever reason, then, equals "bad criticism?"

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Yeah he was being a good weenie liberal by writing Beyond the Valley of the Dolls which had "exploitative" female nudity and violence. You really don't know what the hell you are talking about do you?

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"Pathetic," actually, is when people get so worked up over an opinion they disagree with that they feel like they have to resort to ad-hominem abuse and white knighting on the internet.

I love 'The Devils,' but I can read, and disagree 100% with Ebert's review without getting personally upset, calling names, etc. (For the record, I think Ebert's review of 'The Devils' is one of his worst, not because I disagree with it, but because although he advances a critical argument, it is flimsy and dismissive enough to suggest that he was actually offended by the film and responding to it emotionally while perfunctorily trying to appear to be criticizing it on intellectual grounds — but this isn't about Ebert. I'm not here to white knight Ebert, but to criticize the poor quality of your "criticism.")

What I see here from you and a few others is:

a) failure to distinguish between criticism and abuse (spectacularly complete failure)

b) ignorance or misunderstanding of the actual function of criticism (i.e., an apparent, very mistaken, belief that it is intended to tell people "what to think" or to simply negate any opposing opinions)

c) lack of understanding of what distinguishes quality or lack thereof in criticism (apparently "good" criticism is criticism you agree with and "bad" criticism is criticism you disagree with)

d) the seeming belief that abuse is an appropriate or equivalent response to criticisms or opinions you disagree with (which seem to be regarded as tantamount to a personal attack)

e) complete obliviousness as to how immature and out-of-proportion such a response actually is

While there are older people who exhibit the attitudes I outlined above, it it strikingly prevalent in the Millennial Generation, raised to have high levels of self-esteem whether they had anything to warrant it or not (and people who grow up believing they are fine the way they are generally develop much less to offer than people raised believing they must always strive for improvement). One of the many unfortunate side-effects of that conditioning is that they seem to be extremely thin-skinned, interpreting anything that disagrees with their own opinions as an attack on those opinions, and perhaps on them personally — so they tend to react emotionally, entirely inappropriately.

Granted, all of this falls into a special category of criticism known as personal criticism, which bears a higher likelihood of the subject taking offense. But the fact remains, people with any strength of character at all aren't threatened by opposing opinions. It's a serious weakness that seems, unfortunately, to be on the rise in this culture, but it would be a mistake to assume that normalization equals acceptability. It will always be a clear sign of small-mindedness and immaturity.

For the record, good criticism is generally accepted to be the expression of a personal opinion, well thought-out and advanced, that will also hopefully give the audience an idea of whether or not the work in question would appeal to them regardless of the opinion of the reviewer. There's more to it than that, but that's basically it. Bad criticism advances no argument for the opinion, and, at worst, insults the audience for the work, e.g., "This movie sucked and only idiots or perverts would like it." (Compare this with your own expressed opinions on Ebert and you will see a great deal in common.) Naturally, there are varying degrees of quality in between that, and critics can achieve the former in one review and drift toward the latter end in another.

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Well, it may have been in reply to you, but I was actually writing with people of some intelligence in mind, so, it's just as well you skipped it.

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"Pathetic," actually, is when people get so worked up over an opinion they disagree with that they feel like they have to resort to ad-hominem abuse and white knighting on the internet.


You mean kinda like what you've been doing for the past year now, directed towards anybody who criticizes Ebert or Kael?

While there are older people who exhibit the attitudes I outlined above, it it strikingly prevalent in the Millennial Generation, raised to have high levels of self-esteem whether they had anything to warrant it or not (and people who grow up believing they are fine the way they are generally develop much less to offer than people raised believing they must always strive for improvement). One of the many unfortunate side-effects of that conditioning is that they seem to be extremely thin-skinned, interpreting anything that disagrees with their own opinions as an attack on those opinions, and perhaps on them personally — so they tend to react emotionally, entirely inappropriately.



Damn, but you are just a perpetual font of projection, aren't you?

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Its sad that people still listen to this old fool.

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For one thing, Mr Ebert appears to be saying that the film is banal, trite and obvious in its politics & ideology (which is sort of true, by and large). For another, it has to be pointed out that Mr Ebert generally does not like volatile, risque material of this kind - as also evidenced by his reviews for A Clockwork Orange and Blue Velvet. He just doesn´t have the stomach for it, which leads to dismissal on misjudged ethical grounds. But who really cares what he thinks, anyway.

It also has to be said though that some of the stuff said about Ebert on this thread is no less ridiculous and wilfully obtuse than his review for The Devils.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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For another, it has to be pointed out that Mr Ebert generally does not like volatile, risque material of this kind - as also evidenced by his reviews for A Clockwork Orange and Blue Velvet. He just doesn´t have the stomach for it, which leads to dismissal on misjudged ethical grounds. But who really cares what he thinks, anyway.


Quite true, judging for his review of I Spit on Your Grave which despite its reputation, I do believe it held a sincere message regarding violence against women. Ebert should have seen beyond The Devils' graphic scenes and understand its deeper meaning.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not.

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Did he not say it was beyond rating because it was more than a film? I don't agree, I rate it 10 but I don't necessarily think he did it any injustice. In fact he quite liked it.

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Liked it? He wrote it a mocking review snd awarded it the extremely rare 0 stars out 4.



"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan

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Just read it your right. Read it a year ago and it went right over my head. He's an idiot then.

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Considering how gratuitous Ebert's own depiction of psychedelic bourgeois orgies is in his movie "Beyond the Valley of the Dolls" (sex AND crude violence well included) I really can't see how or why he could have been shocked by "The Devils"'s intense scenes of mock-possessed nude nuns and torture. His review does not show outrage, but rather sheer despise. "The Devils" went beyond his head, clearly. It's one thing to be shocked to disgust, it's another to fail recognizing that Russell displayed pure genius all over this movie.

That's why I pay little importance to whatever Ebert thinks about any movie. He does have brilliant remarks and insightful ideas here and there, but on the whole, I don't see consistency. The man drifts away with the prevailing currents, as someone aptly pointed out in different words.

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How much blasphemy is in BVD? Ebert is rarely as testy as he is in his review of The Devils, and I've always suspected the film offended his Catholicism.

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actually THE DEVILS is one of the most catholic films ever made.

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It could be a mistake in the website of some sort. Because when I read the review I did got the feeling of reading a four star picture review.

And is it just me? Or does all the actors look like people picked up from the 70ies? The sideburns and everything ^^ Couldn't they give the actors a more authentic look? Great movie nevertheless.

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