Disqusting.


This movie is awful. I didn't make it past the first 20 minutes. I didn't even get to "The Duke" before I turned it off. The acting is less than acceptable, the directing is pathetic, and the violence (and it's portrayal) is down-right offense. I watch John Wayne movies/Westerns for the classic elements...Great acting, great characters and personalities, subtle and over-the-top action, and the sense of traditional values each movie carries.

This film is the opposite. I only made it to the slaughter at the ranch, after that I had enough. The directer focuses the camera right in on those gunshots/wounds/death and his "vision" lacks any kind class, taste, etc... Also, the music clashes with the film. This director has never heard of tone and cohesiveness apparently.....And Maureen O'Hara, What the hell??? She just saw everybody get blown to pieces and she stands there, doesn't say a one single word, scream, anything, and has this casually concerned look on her face like somebody just dropped an egg or something....Again, this director is a first class chump.

If I want to watch an intelligence-insulting blood and guts movie, I'll pop in my copy of Rambo: First Blood Part 2, not this...

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It wasn't his best movies but it wasn't awful or disgusting

Maureen O'Hara, Ireland Best Actress. Got Maureen O'Hara and Julie Andrews autograph 2008!

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I respectfully disagree. These two (Wayne & O'Hara) were in "The Quiet Man", a timeless classic. Big Jake has nothing classic about it.

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Blame Peckinpah, not John Wayne.

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I'm sorry, maybe I missed something, but what does Peckinpah have to do with anything?

NO ONE WILL BE WATCHING US WHY DON'T WE DO IT IN THE ROAD?

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How do you know? You didn't watch the movie. Your assessment is invalid as you only saw the beginning. The beginning of the Titanic's maiden voyage was delightful. I hate it when pompous idiots watch a few minutes of something and act like their opinion is the word of god. Watch the whole thing or keep your comments to yourself.

Remember Rabbit Ears with tin foil?

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Hey ah... sstarl1324, you need to relax. You know you missed my point, which is valid. Maybe the movie did even out, maybe it's incredible. Great. I hope you enjoyed. I did not because I grew out seeing the "John Wayne western action" where someone get shot and just falls down. No blood, no chaos. Nothing.

I think most of fathers/grandfather who grew up in his prime, about 39'-50ish, would agree with me about the beginnning.

Do I like action movies, and seeing people get torn up? Of course, I'm a guy. But as for Wayne goes, I watch him for different reasons. The core values, silly action, and the "saving the woman and then marrying her" plot elements.

Yes, I'm sure it did get better. You seem to have a good taste in movies, I'm sure you know what you're talking about. But the beginning ruined it for me.


~ ...words from god~

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~ various impropery spelled (words from god)~

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I was actually surprised at how violent this was compared to his other films. But I still thought it was wonderfully filmed and could pass for a more recent film. The only area this movie disappoints me in is the ending, there is no real resolution.

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I own 111 of 150 John Wayne movies on DVD!

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Actually, John Wayne was a big proponent of realistic deaths. I remember way back in "Flying Leathernecks" there was blood spurting from wounds. Was this movie violent? Sure. But so were a lot of westerns. Was this movie poorly acted? Maybe, but only by the bad actors (Chris Mitchum, God love him, was about as stiff a line reader as there ever was). The good actors did a great job. And the Duke had some classic lines. As for the stoicism of Maureen O'Hara's character, she was a matriarch in the old west. She was running a ranch, and she had probably seen a whole lot of death and blood in her life. Her job was to keep the family together, and that is exactly what she did.

Oh, and next time you want to come on this site and criticize a movie, make sure it is one you've watched all the way through. Otherwise, you're all hat and no cattle.

If we all liked the same movie, there'd only be one movie!

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ACTUALLY, I own Flying Leathernecks, and that movie's action actually has some class to it...It's not just some poorly directed, exploitation showing.

I don't doubt that Big Jake probably got better as it went along. John Wayne had to see something in it to accept the role....but it sure didn't occur in the first 15 minutes.

The Wayne films I love, include: Red River, The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance, The Quiet Man, True Grit, The Alamo, The War Wagon, How the West Was Won, The Comancheros...etc

All of these are very different in how it's violence was portrayed, in relation to Big Jake. That opening shootout is like a lost scene from The Wild Bunch.

I'm all for realistic deaths too, but the difference between realism and exploitation is pretty clear to me. You should know tone an style, your in music...Come on..

And how about not attacking me on a damn IMDB board. Pathetic, man...

What are you trying to gain? Do you feel better now or something?

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I dont feel better because you just don't get it. If you did not watch the entire movie, then NOBODY cares what your opinion of it is.

And the beginning of Big Jake had a purpose. These guys were supposed to appear to be the absolute worst men around. No mercy, no redeeming qualities. GET IT? You were SUPPOSED to be disgusted.
It's called crafting a story.

And you've been responding to everyone by attacking them. Maybe you should take a step back and realize that you may have been wrong here. Not for disliking the movie, that's your prerogative, but for acting like an ass.


If we all liked the same movie, there'd only be one movie!

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Listen, I don't care about the rest of this movie. It could turn into a masterpiece, I still wouldn't care because the first shootout is awful film-making.

Characters and tone were set-up just fine in the 20', 30', 40's, 50's.

Maybe I should clarify that I only hate this scene because it is not a "Classic-era John Wayne movie shoot-out". It is so obvious that this movie was made in 71', after movies displaying a more graphic style of violence (Bonnie &Clyde, The Wild Bunch) were accepted by Hollywood.

I'm just pissed that I bought this movie blindly, expecting to see a "Classic-era type Wayne movie", but maybe with updated picture & sound because of when it was made....and instead I got a Western reflective of 1971.

I'm sure if It was made in 48' I would love it.

Yes, I am an ass. I apologize. Nothing pisses me off more than when I not understood....Didn't intend to be a dick about it...I'm guilty as charged.

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Yes, I am an ass. I apologize. Nothing pisses me off more than when I not understood....Didn't intend to be a dick about it...I'm guilty as charged.

I guess that's why you're known as ThePrick?




Watch 'em Abe, I seen 'em do some things!

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Yes, of course it us!

See I'm okay with that, because you understand me!!

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I'm with The Prick on this one. I came to this board to see if anyone else noticed how pedestrian this movie was. I, however, watched the whole thing.

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The bad guys are set up as bad guys in the introduction even before they arrive at the ranch. Sure, the introduction is ham-handed (like setting the stage in time -- Albert Einstein, Enrico Caruso, Arturo Toscanini, Anna Pavlova, and William Howard Taft have nothing to do with the movie except that they are active in 1909). We see few westerns set in 1909, but the time is appropriate in a part of America last to get the word that the Wild West was over -- Arizona Territory.

The movie's introduction has a made-for-TV feel... but just think of the time. John Wayne had to compete with the perfectly-good westerns either on air (Bonanza) or recently produced (Gunsmoke, the Virginian). Most western fans were watching TV-produced westerns and those were very good. Movie directors may have thought that movies made for TV were the wave of the future... they aren't.

... OK, the documentary-style intro slows the movie down. But note well -- if you are told that some bad guys in a Western are bad, the director must show that quickly. Having a villain go into some pseudo-philosophical tirade about "the problem with money is that everybody else wants it" and then kill a rancher shows how bad a badman is. Having one of the bad guys ride his horse into the house shows how callow the outlaws are. Tormenting the woman and the child... well they did stop short of rape and child molestation.

There's no nice way to kill someone.

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I'm still trying to get over someone thinking the violence in this (with horribly cheesy-looking Halloween blood and nothing else) is exploitative. I find it INCREDIBLY tame, and I say that while loving this movie. As has already been mentioned, they were pretty (okay VERY) nice and gentle with the kid--he seems awfully well fed and healthy at the end of the movie after many days in the care of these terrible men--and none of these "stick at nothing" outlaws apparently thought of doing anything to the women running around...well okay, Fatty got one with a machete but I meant doing something else with the women.

Having actually seen some real-life instances of people getting killed, I suppose I am a polar opposite to the OP, in that I really don't care for depictions of violence that are "clean." People who aren't shot in the head, heart or spine tend to linger in fairly horrible pain for awhile, rather than enjoying the quick deaths of old westerns where you just grab your chest and then fall over, motionless. Not saying the OP is wrong, but I doubt we'd be happy movie-buddies. I much prefer the takes of movies like "Se7en" on violence--of it being fairly horrifically awful. Necessary, sometimes, but never pleasant.

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the violence in the opening sequence was intended to show what kind of people they are.
if this kind of thing offends you, why do you own a copy of Rambo:First Blood part 2?
in closing, if you didn't make it past the first 20 minutes, then you haven't seen the whole film and your opinion is moot.

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As I mentioned and alluded to earlier, this movie goes from
serious/violent to comedic.

What with that filler where people keep falling down the steps?

What's with Jake hitting his son after the goggles removed
and then again? What's with the son who almsot kills
one of his party because he doesn't know how to fire it?

Stick with one type, action/adventure or comedy.

And when it does the comedy parts, it fails.

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"What with that filler where people keep falling down the steps?"


What scene are you talking about? the only scene like that I can think of is in "McClintock"

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Just watched this for the first time in probably 30 years. As a kid, I enjoyed it immensely. Now, sorry to say, it dates badly. 1971 was a landmark year for groundbreaking movies like KLUTE, A CLOCKWORK ORANGE, STRAW DOGS, THE FRENCH CONNECTION and THE CONFORMIST, to name a few. There were also a smattering of films like BIG JAKE that uncomfortably mixed elements from "old" and "new" Hollywood.

The "new" elements in this would be, as the OP and previous posters have pointed out, the graphically-violent opening. The "old" would be the "humorous" fist-fights, John Wayne's dog that apparently understood English, and (the worst gaffe of all, in my opinion) people shot at point-blank range with double-barrel shotguns that don't shed a drop of blood! And let's not forget veteran (and very Caucasian) actor Bruce Cabot playing an Indian! Also, death was treated in a very light-hearted, slipshod manner. When someone was killed, even an important character, no one ever made reference to it, or shed a tear. This was especially glaring in the end, which is probably the weakest part of an already-spotty film.

If you're going to portray violence in a film, you have to be consistent, and this hand an uneasy mix of graphic and sanitized violence that, at least for this viewer, took me out of the movie completely. I, for one, also think that if you're going to portray violence in a film, it's the responsibility of the filmmakers to do so realistically: which means that it should make you wince, and look away, not "entertain" and/or titillate. The tone in BIG JAKE is all over the place: graphically violent one minute, slapstick humor the next, '70s gritty and '50s sanitized almost simultaneously. And what was with that made-for-TV-style opening about what was happening around the country in 1909? Those people and things were never referred to again.

I'm a huge fan of The Duke and Richard Boone is terrific here (as always), but this is one of Wayne's lesser efforts, I'm sorry to say. At least he finished on a high note a few years later with THE SHOOTIST being both one of his best as well as his swan song.

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I have recently returned my post about "Big Jake" being a "secret classic" to the top of the board so I stand by my liking for it even if the production is a bit slipshod and on the cheap side.

What I would like to specify here is that the bloody violence of the opening slaughter owes itself to three developments prior to Big Jake:

1. Peckinpah's The Wild Bunch. For many decades, men didn't bleed when shot, then in the sixties occasionally there would be a "spot of blood" on their shirts as they expired. But Peckinpah -- taking his lead from "Bonnie and Clyde" -- elected to have bullets create fountains of blood both out the front and through the backs of the victims...and there was no going back, really. Oh, a few comedy Westerns would still just have men fall down dead, but most Westerns moved quickly to "bursting blood bags." "Big Jake" was no exception..and they burst in "The Shootist," too.

2. Clint Eastwood in "Dirty Harry." It came out the same year as "Big Jake" -- 1971 -- though "Jake" was earlier(summer to "Harry" at Christmas.) But they shared the same screenwriter(not solely, but partially) and in many ways, they are the same film: the villain(s) is/are utterly depraved and evil, capable of killing men AND women AND children -- and only a rather "mean and mericiless" HERO("Dirty Harry," "Big Jake") can possibly bring such monsters down.

The two movies also share "pithy speeches":

Harry: I know what you're thinkin'. Did he fire six shots or only five? Well, to tell you the truth, I forgot myself in all this excitement(etc)

Jake(AFter Boone says it first) Now you listen to me: anything goes wrong -- your fault, my fault -- NOBODY's fault -- I'm gonna blow your head off.

If you look at "Dirty Harry" and "Big Jake" as a literal "matched pair," they make a lot of sense together(and "Harry" is a "modern Western.")

3. 1971. It has been said that the film years of 1971-1972 were about the most violent in movie history. The "R" rating was a few years old, so lots of "R" movies were put out, and many had rapes to go with their killings(Dirty Harry, Straw Dogs, Clockwork Orange, Deliverance, HItchcock's Frenzy). And The French Connection and The Godfather were plenty violent WITHOUT rape.

"Big Jake" left out any rape or sexual violence against women or men -- which is why(ha) it got a "PG." (The "PG-13" had not been invented yet.) JOhn Wayne likely would not have appeared in a "R" rated film, but the non-sexual violence is plentiful in "Big Jake," "The Cowboys," "Cahill, US Marshal" and " The SHootist."

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In my Top 5 of John Wayne movies!!!

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Agree, in my top 5 also. Even though it had a lot of violence, it was a very entertaining movie.

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