In the movie, a big deal was made over the fact that Big Jake's son was carrying a semiautomatic pistol.
But what kind of pistol was that? Was it based on a real gun or was it just made up for the movie? You never really get a good look at it in the movie.
I believe his son said it was a Burman 1911. I'm a gun guy & have never heard of such a gun. It looked to me like a 9mm Luger. There is a 1911 pistol that was chambered for .45ACP & used by the American forces during much of WW2.
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I guess they just made up a fictional gun. I remember Patrick Wayne's character saying the family got an early prototype because they were shareholders in the gun company.
I never got a good look at the gun. It seems rather blocky to be a 1911.
Perhaps they could have used a Roth-Steyr or a 1905 Mannlicher instead of making up a fictional gun. But that might have complicated the production.
It was prop made from a Walther P-38.
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I think they are loosely refering to the BERGMAN-BAYARD model 1910-21. Of German and Belgian lineage. Used by the Danish Army circa WWI. The movie pistol has the wrong profile and is obviously a doctored prop, but is reminisant of the the design.
shareYou are correct. It was supposed to be a pre-production model of the Bergman, but as someone else said earlier, it was a P-38 doctored up by the prop department.
share One more vote for P-38. it was said to be a Bergman-Bayard as poited out by aniother poster. but i'd bet money it's a P-38. I have been around guns all my life, I have been a licensed dealer since 1989. I own a P-38, among other guns.
The Bergman-Bayard issimilar to the C96 "Broomhandle" Mauser pistol. But it had detacable mags of 6 to 10 rds. they are beautiful pistols, but way too expensive for me. I did finally get a Broomhandle Mauser in 1989, but it was only 200 bucks with 2 boxes of ammo. it was the 5th gun i bought with my license...
i do wish they had used the right gun....
In the novelization, it is a Browning 1911, which is the Army Iaaue .45. probably too much legality involved to use the real name.
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I think they just wanted to use something different. who hadn't seen or useda Colt 1911 by then. as to copyright, i don't think that applies. Look at how many anti-gun movies and tv shows use firearms by name. Were i a gun maker, i wouldn't let any of my guns be used by the "Bad guys"...
shareFor the record, in the movie it is supposed to be a "Bergman 1911," but it really is based on a pistol called the Bergman Model 1896, which was an actual pistol. However, the pistol used in the film is just movie prop: a modified Walther P-38, dressed up to resemble the Bergmann Model 1896.
shareThe US army never used Browning autos. The US M1911 .45 acp was manufactured by Colt. During WWII, Colt licensed Singer (sewing machine mfger) and Remington Rand (a typewriter mfger) and others to make the pistols. John Browning had a large influence in its development as he did with the Browning High Power and a ton of other guns. The BAR, The M1 .50 cal heavy machine gun and a number or autoloading and pump shotguns among them. The guy was a brilliant gunsmith. The High Power was used by a number of Euro armies chambered in 9mm; but it came much later. The pistol in the film did look like a doctored up Walther with the mag well forward of the trigger assy. I don't know why they didn't just use an 08 or 11 Colt and say it was a pre-production model. It would make more sense than an overseas investment.
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Your statement is not completely accurate, sstar1324. Although the 1911 series of pistols was first manufactured by Colt, the design was John Browning's. So, in fact, the US Army DID,in fact, use a "Browning" pistol, the 1911 series of .45 acp pistols.
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It was a Walther P38 that they slapped a bunch of funky lookin furniture on it.
shareIt was a Walther P38 that had been modified aesthetically. I know that this has been said many times and I'm not offering anything new, but people keep repeating it over and over and over and over and over and over and over again so I figured it must be fun and decided to try it. Having done so, my reactions are a bit mixed. It was kinda fun, but kinda not.
Oh, and it was a P38. That had been modified. Aesthetically.
So you're saying it was a P-38? Modified?
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Yes, but only aesthetically.
sharehttp://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Big_Jake#Movie_prop:_.22Bergmann_1911.22
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