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The 'Secret' John Wayne Classic


When New Hollywood gave Wayne the Oscar for "True Grit" in 1969, they thought he was old and out of it and would just "go away."

But he made 11 more films before his poignant final one in 1976: "The Shootist."

Admittedly, some of the 70's Wayne Westerns were rather routine entertainments (I'm sure we have fans of "The Train Robbers" and "Cahill" around here, but there were only OK.) His attempts to do "Dirty Harry" cop movies ("McQ" and the London-based "Brannigan") were not that major, either.

Still, it was great to have the Duke alive and working all the time in anything, and occasionally, he made a real good one in the 70's. "The Cowboys" and "The Shootist" are the two serious good films.

And "Big Jake" is the fun one.

The screenplay for "Big Jake" was written by folks who wrote a draft or two of "Dirty Harry," and if you listen, you can hear some of the same "tone": Harry's "Do You Feel Lucky?" speech is rather like Fain's "Your fault, my fault, nobody's fault" speech. And there is the great repeater line in "Big Jake" of: "I thought you was dead." Everybody who meets Wayne's Big Jake in this movie thought he was dead.

The story is a Western thriller, updated to the "Wild Bunch" era of motorcars and bursting blood bags that were all the rage. Wayne is "Big Jake" McCandles, the long-exiled head of a family now run by his estranged wife, Maureen O'Hara. Big Jake's grandson is kidnapped by a large gang led by Richard Boone; many employees of the ranch are killed in the process. O'Hara sends for Big Jake to save the boy and kill the gang: "This is going to be an exceedingly harsh and unpleasant business, and it is going to require the services of an exceedingly harsh and unpleasant man."

"Big Jake" is a Family Reunion of a Western. Wayne reunites with O'Hara. One grown son (Patrick) plays his son; the other child son (Ethan) plays his grandson. Robert Mitchum's son Chris plays another Wayne son, and longtime Wayne sidekick Bruce Cabot (of "King Kong" fame) is his faithful Indian companion. And "Dog" is his faithful dog.

Richard Boone -- a great actor and star in his own right -- had turned down a few bad guy parts in earlier Wayne westerns, but liked how bad this one was, and how many great lines he had, and said "yes", giving Wayne what one critic called: "the best villain in any John Wayne Western," with Lee Marvin in "Liberty Valance" one behind because Boone was a more wily adversary. Wayne and Boone only have two scenes together, but they are fantastic.

Veteran George Sherman is listed as the director, but it is believed that Wayne himself directed this one. The production values are not at the level of "The Cowboys" or "The Shootist" to follow; but it is the script and the acting that drives this very funny, very violent, and very exciting Western thriller.

A few lines I like:

(Wayne sees that Boone has him surrounded): "You must think I'm a real...dangerous...man."

Boone to Wayne: "Anything goes wrong, your fault, my fault, nobody's fault...and I'll send that kid home to you in a box."

Wayne to Boone: I've been sent to return the boy alive or you and your men dead. It doesn't make any difference to me which, but it's be easier to get the boy back.

Wayne to Patrick Wayne: Don't call me daddy.

Boone to O'Hara's foreman: The problem with money is, there's always someone wants to take it away from you. But that's the only problem with it, and ain't that the bloody truth (shoots foreman.)

Wayne to Boone: Anything goes wrong, your fault, my fault, nobody's fault...I'm gonna blow your head off.

Wayne to Patrick Wayne: (After being called "daddy" yet again) Well, if you can't learn to respect your elders, it's time you respected your betters. (Decks him.)

And:

Boone: Who are you?
Wayne: Jacob McCandles.
Boone: I thought you was dead.
Wayne: Not hardly.


"Big Jake": it's a lot of fun, but it means something...about family.


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One of the best lines is when Maureen O'Hara is getting briefed by the Rangers and the Army. She declines their offers for help and says 'harsh and unpleasant kind of business calls for an equally harsh and unpleasant kind of man."

And the next scene is the Duke lookin' down the barrel of his Winchester!

Great segway.

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ecarle wrote.:
Boone to Wayne: "Anything goes wrong, your fault, my fault, nobody's fault...and I'll send that kid home to you in a box."

Youre confusing two different scenes 30 minutes apart...
Toward the end of the movie when the box gets delivered...(1:37 into the movie)
Actually its...I just saw something in your eyes that I dont like. I saw a foolish thought. You understand me, Anything happens, anything at all, your fault, my fault, nobody's fault...and My brother will blow that boys head right off,I'ts as simple as that. No matter who else gets killed, that boy dies. If the shotgun misses him, it dont matter, You allready know about the rifle on him. That wont be as messy as a shotgun at 3 feet, But that boy will be just as dead."

The reference of sending the boys body home is 32 minutes before the scene above.. the statement about this is in this scene below.

Wayne to Boone: "But Im being paid to bring him back alive or you dead. Each and everyone of you. Now I'd rather bring the boy back, Thats easier, But when it comes right down to it, dont matter to me, I'll earn my pay one way or another. Now how about you? You the Big Cheif or one of the littler Indians?

Boone to Wayne: Oh just a little Indian, Just a messenger boy.

Wayne to Boone: Well youve delivered your message, thats all.

Boone to Wayne: There's more, Im in here alone, if youve been followed like ya think, you best stay right on your toes. You be real tough, real loose. What you got in that bx is too big to keep a secret, and the thing is THIS. YOu got to deliver that box to us. YOu got to put it right in our hands. You understand. Good intentions wont buy you nothing but that boys corpse. Its just as simplel as that. Somebody takes that box away from you, we wont be understanding, we wont wait, we wont try again, Ill just send that boys body back to you in a basket. You understand?

ecarle wrote.:
Wayne to Patrick Wayne: (After being called "daddy" yet again) Well, if you can't learn to respect your elders, it's time you respected your betters. (Decks him.)

Actually its...Wayne to Patrick Wayne: (After being called "daddy" yet again) Well, Son if you can't learn to respect your elders, it's time you respected your betters. (pulls him of his horse and then lets PW have the first shot but JW decks him first.)

ecarle wrote.:
Wayne to Boone: I've been sent to return the boy alive or you and your men dead. It doesn't make any difference to me which, but it's be easier to get the boy back.

Actually its...Wayne to Boone: "But Im being paid to bring him back alive or you dead. Each and everyone of you. Now I'd rather bring the boy back, Thats easier, But when it comes right down to it, dont matter to me, I'll earn my pay one way or another.

ecarle wrote.:
Wayne to Patrick Wayne: Don't call me daddy.

Actually its.... (after PW and JW stop fighting and PW pulls a gun on JW)

Wayne to Patrick Wayne: YOu can call me Father, you can call me Jacob, you can call me Jake, you can call me a dirty SOB, But if you ever call me DADDY again I'll finish this fight.

Been a fan of this movie since I saw when it first came out I was 7. Mom was going thru a divorce and I guess my new dad could be a man like Jacob Mc Candles. This movie is truley about family. even with its troubles they stick together... anwyay...DOG....Lets go.....

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Richard Boone was also one better than Lee Marvin when it came to drinking. As out of control an alcoholic as Lee Marvin was, he always worked.

On the other hand, Dick Boone became downright unemployable because of his drinking as illustrated when he missed the role of Doyle Lonnigan in "The Sting" that eventually went to Robert Shaw.

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You fellows about covered it. All I'll say is that it isn't a secret
with me, and I think quite a few others. Westerns, indeed all action
movies, rise or fall with the hero and villian, and Big Jake gives
John Wayne his best role other than The Searchers and brings aboard
Richard Boone as the meanest villian he ever faced. Top drawer all the
way, and the dog was great too.

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For me Boone is one of the all time great heavies, too bad he didn't make more movies. What I found odd about the movie, was the way they carried that box around . They made it seem like it was really heavy , you'd think it was full of gold, but it was just paper. Plus how did that Indian fix the lock to make it look just like new as he stated. Even a locksmith with tools would has a problem doing that, let alone an Indian on the road.

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The amazing thing about Dick Boone is that he looks like he's about 45 or 50 years old in this film, but 5 years later in "The Shootist," he looks 75.

"Big Jake" also has the best intro to John Wayne of any of his films. Maureen O"Hara thanks the army captain and the Texas Rangers for their offers to help, and then says something like, "But this will be a very harsh and unpleasant job and will require a very harsh and unpleasant man to see to it."

Then the camera immediately shifts to Wayne's face looking down the barrel of his gun.

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"Big Jake" also has the best intro to John Wayne of any of his films. Maureen O"Hara thanks the army captain and the Texas Rangers for their offers to help, and then says something like, "But this will be a very harsh and unpleasant job and will require a very harsh and unpleasant man to see to it."

Then the camera immediately shifts to Wayne's face looking down the barrel of his gun.


Starting around the time of The Comancheros (Michael Curtiz and John Wayne, 1960), many Wayne Westerns began self-consciously, ironically, and sometimes playfully commenting upon his iconic and legendary status, especially when visually introducing him at the start of the film. I concur that Big Jake (George Sherman and John Wayne, 1971) executes that task in as savory as fashion as any of his other films.

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"Big Jake": it's a lot of fun, but it means something...about family.


Several of Wayne's Westerns from the early seventies, including Big Jake (George Sherman and John Wayne, 1971), The Cowboys (Mark Rydell, 1972), and Cahill, U.S. Marshal (Andrew V. McLaglen, 1973) speak to the theme of trying to redeem fractured fatherhood and save the new generation of children, as opposed to the young adults who've already gone astray (possibly because of negligent parenting). Indeed, I sense a combination of Wayne's personal and reflective concerns late in life and his pro-Vietnam, anti-counterculture politics, and even The Shootist (Don Siegel, 1976) fits into this motif about the need to "teach the children" in old age. See this thread on The Cowboys:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0068421/board/flat/35993643?p=1

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joekiddlouischalma!

You're back, man! Been a long time. Let's see how fast others find out you're around again. Welcome.

As my record reflects, I've been busy on Hitchcock threads, almost exclusively recently. But I might just saddle up for a few more Westerns seeing as you're back on the range.

However: not sure I'm up to the scholarly essence of your dialogues nowadays. I tend to "zip in and out of here." Can't spend as much time.

Others may be up to the challenge!

In any event, I look forward to reading your stuff. And I respectfully pre-defer to you on all matters Eastwood.

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joekiddlouischalma!

You're back, man! Been a long time. Let's see how fast others find out you're around again. Welcome.

As my record reflects, I've been busy on Hitchcock threads, almost exclusively recently. But I might just saddle up for a few more Westerns seeing as you're back on the range.

However: not sure I'm up to the scholarly essence of your dialogues nowadays. I tend to "zip in and out of here." Can't spend as much time.

Others may be up to the challenge!

In any event, I look forward to reading your stuff. And I respectfully pre-defer to you on all matters Eastwood.


ecarle, it's good to be back and taking cues from your movie-loving and historically-informed thread starters. I actually won't be fully back for a few more months, so it would be better to save those new topics for awhile. However, it's been nice to grab a taste of these sorts of discussions again.

I've responded to your latest Vertigo thread and also offered some extensive comments on some of your Three Days of the Condor threads (there's been quite a bit of vigorous discussion on that board lately). Those would probably be some good places to look, before I circle-out and then circle-back in a few months.

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Alrighty then. A pleasure. Hope others discover you eventually, too.

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"Big Jake" also has the best intro to John Wayne of any of his films.

My favorite is still that first shot of him in STAGECOACH.

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bump.

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Two years later, another try. I may never remember what I wrote, again.

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"That'll be the day."

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