Jake hits his sons


I'm surprised no-one here has expressed dismay over the way Jake slugged his two sons hard for very slight reasons in two different scenes. It seemed like it was supposed to be amusing to the audience , and the sons were shown good-humoredly shrugging it off after being knocked down. I don't think that would have been liked by 1971 audiences any more than today. When he wasn't slugging them, Jake was often threatening them with violence if they didn't do what he wanted. The real villain in the movie treated his men better than Jake did his sons. Maybe that was meant to show the kind of character Jake was and why his wife divorced him, but I don't think that came across very well. I really think it was supposed to show what a "manly man" does , and to that I say "bah".

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I saw it as Jake doing what was necessary in order to successfully bring back Little Jake.

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I don't agree. The first time Jake hauled off and punched his son a few times was because the son kept calling him "Daddy".

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Exactly. Jake needed them in the right frame of mind in order to complete their mission and his son was anything but cooperative. The tone in his voice when he called him Daddy revealed the utter contempt he had for his father. If you are leading a group of men to rescue a kidnapped child, it is going to hurt matters if one or any of those men have contempt for the leader. I understand the contempt he had for his father but that contempt would have gotten in the way of a successful rescue.

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I still disagree, because the second time Jake hauled off and socked his sons was when he thought (wrongly) they were implying he had stolen something. Both times it seemed it was more because his pride was hurt, than because he was focused on rescuing the child and keeping the men in line. His first reaction was to resort to violence, even to his own sons. Whatever the reason, I didn't find it entertaining or worthy of the character. It wasn't the same as a typical western-saloon fist-fight scene.

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The movie was set in 1909, not 1969, '79, or 2009...

Might I suggest that you're guilty of "viewing history through today's eyes?"

They mention SEVERAL times throughout the movie that Jacob McCandles is QUITE old fashioned, and as such, it would have been NOTHING for him to have seen striking his ADULT sons as a reasonable action to express his displeasure.

After he hits James (Christopher Mitchum) for pretending to be dead after the motorcycle wreck - when Duke came up on him - he calmly asked him to remove his goggles, then he decked him! He DID it because the wild stunt on the bike put "Little Jake" in danger, and THAT was unacceptable...

Also, when he struck them in the hotel room in Mexico - when they accused him of taking the $$, and replacing it with newspaper - it was only AFTER they struck HIM, so don't get your panties in such a tightly wound twist about THAT part of it...

This was COMMONPLACE during this time in the WORLD, not just the wild and woolly west...I think you might be overreacting just a bit on this one.

I don't act...I react. John Wayne

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I agree with bari2525. John Wayne's character is a man on a mission who very quickly has to turn his sons who are filled with disrespect and anger into a workable team. As a leader, he slowly earns their respect. Earning the respect that he deserves, yes deserves, as a father is harder to come by.
He has been out of their lives for 9 years and 4 months. The fact that he knows the time by months demonstrates that his absence is one that has been more forced upon him than chosen. The fact that when he gets word from his estranged wife he is with her as quickly as possible also shows his concern for her and for his family.
However, his sons do not see these moments or are too young to note their importance. The very afternoon that they see a glimmer of his continued love for his wife (her photo in the watch), the sons' distrust and anger climax with their accusation of his stealing the million dollars.
Big Jake allows his sons to do what they most want to do --to take a swing at him, to hit him, to show him their fury (and confusion) of not having him in their lives for almost a decade. Then, he gives them what they need ... the knowledge that he is not their punching bag and that they still have much to learn --about life and about him. They even have more to learn about their mother.
Whether he had a weakness for the ladies or whether his wife made a decision that he would not share in --as with her choice to strike at the kidnappers through long-range rifles, I do not know, just as his sons do not know. All is conjecture since there are sadly no more scenes with Maureen O'Hara. However, her attraction to, pride in, and confidence in Big Jake are all apparent,even if he does infuriate her. He is the man for the job of getting Little Jake back. While doing so, he strengthens the relationship between a few more members of his family.

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I do not expect a millenial to understand how men acted in te 19th/early 20th century.

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I do not expect a millenial to understand how men acted in te 19th/early 20th century.
Good point. The OP is judging a 19th Century character by 21st Century mores, and that is most unfair.

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Very good point.

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Or 20th cntury if someone back then (in 1971 when it was released) had heard of the plot and didn't know,maybe too young to know, that it wasn't set in 1971 but 1909 as stated!!

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Maybe he was as old as a Baby Boomer (at the time, 1971, coming into their own..sadly us in that age group, thru the anti-Vietnam War and other so "left" slanted causes, inspired in younger crowd..I'ma Republican myself.As was the great John Wayne)..wasn't a milennial,sadly not the first generation to act like that..

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He needed to drill into them that this was serious business. Better to have them resent a little discipline than have them dead.

BTW: Jake and his wife weren't divorced. He was just living away from her probably for business or wander lust. The ranch was still his home.

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It's not really a movie meant to be taken very seriously. The slugging and fist fighting are almost cartoon-like. In real life, if a guy John Wayne's size hauled off and plastered another guy in the face full-force, that guy would have serious, long-term facial and dental injuries, not to mention a concussion, and would possibly be killed. You just have to suspend your disbelief (a handy skill for enjoying most movies) and go with the story.

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