4 hour version?


According to the owner of Bell & Blade war movie distribution, this film has an original length of 4 hours that is out there somewhere. Can anyone confirm this? If yes, where to get a copy?

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Yes, its out there somewhere. No one has found it yet. It may be buried somewhere in Russia. Since there is a limited interest for this great film we may never see its full edition.

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you gotta be kidding me, half this classic movie was cut and left somewhere in Russia not to be found? that's incredible!

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I would like to watch the 4 hour version...maybe some day we might see it..who knows..and that makes Waterloo the longest European made movie ever,and its one of the best historic war movies of all times

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Not to put a damper on anyones hopes - I'm just as eager as you guys to see the 4 hour version and I really hope that I'm wrong about this - but I read somewhere that the 4 hour thing was more of what filmmakers call a 'rough cut' - the first edit of the movie. When they cut it down to the movie we're familiar with the rest of the cut film went (apparently but I hope not!) into the garbage bin.

I just hope that enough Waterloo enthusiasts can somehow convince Dino (or Veronica, not sure who's running the show now) to find the 'lost footage' and recut a 'director's cut' even if it runs 5 hours heck I'd buy that!

Tom516

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There is a review on here that mentions that the 4 hour version was a rough cut but he then says that on the complete cast list some of the names are not in it which would indicate a longer version!

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Just to let you know that War and Peace (1968) also made by Sergei Bondarchuk was eight hour long in its original form and six and a half hours long in its US release. Both are available on DVD.
The silent film entitled Napoleon made by Abel Gance has various run times listed but the version I got to see back in the early 90's ran for four and a half hours. Old Bonaparte does seem to lend himself to epic length - bladder busting films.
Some sources list Berlin Alexanderplatz directed by Rainer Verner Fassbinder which comes in at 16+ hours as the longest European movie.
Intersting movies all.

I'll make a good Gordon, Gordon!

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regarding the so called four hour version - I wrote the details on the `alternative version'. As I started there is/was NO four hour version!!!!!! All films are longer during the editing stage than their final released version. I am a filmmaker myself and understand the process of cutting film very well. In the original article that I referred to, the film's editor Richard Meyer said that the `cut' was about four hours at one stage of the editing process. As an experienced big movie editor he says this is not unusual. But after discussion the present cut was agreed on. EVERY FILM ever made goes through the same process. YOu may film the original script but during editing some scenes clearly don't work. Look at the amount of deleted scenes in most modern DVD releases. THese scenes are rarely cut because of 'unfeeling producers', but because there is a clear consensus that they don't work. Clearly WATERLOO went through the same process. Don't get me wrong I LOVE this film and wish they'd gone for a three hour cut. But hey, they didn't and that's life!!!. Unlike today long films, they were not good for business in the late sixties with most Hollywood studies in financial meltdown. No one would have seriously considered releasing a film at four hours in 1970. The whole roadshow concept of film presentation was on the wane in the wake of films like EASY RIDER. So please forget any idea of a `director's cut' for WATERLOO. IT DOES NOT OR EVER DID EXIST as an approved version. The 132 version is the version Bondarchuk and DeLaurentiis agreed on. That's the only version that was music scored, sound mixed and released. Mosfilm are adamant that they only have elements for the 132 version. I hope this puts the four hour myth to bed!

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The film was never prepared in 4-hour version; the 134-minute version that was released in 1970, was the director's cut. No 'restoration' is necessary. In any event, all negative trims were junked after the film flopped, according to the film editor, Richard C. Meyer. I love the film and feel it tells the story in a concise, yet full-blooded manner.


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http://visualrian.com/images?text=waterloo+film&section=photo


Further to my previous postings I found the above link. It has some interesting shots of the filming and also one or two scenes which didn't make it into the final print.

I hope that fellow admirers of the film find them interesting.

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Thanks for posting these.

Frank: Just a man.
Harmonica: An ancient race.

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Cheers!

stopchasingyourtail

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there are missing scenes, reports were made, that the whole battle of quattre bras was filmed and unless they didn´t ruin the film during development, it was left out of the movie.

the problem ist, that at the time when this movie was made, nobody cared about the leftover material, because there was no way to use it.
Back then there was no other way of making money for movies, than the cinema, and later tv, no video, no dvd, no nothing.

These days, everything ist stored, but back then, only the stuff from big blockbusters was stored, and Waterloo wasn´t one of them.

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