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Interesting character study and clash of cultures


The film features an interesting culture clash between two Marine drill instructors and a hippie draftee. One drill instructor, Drake (Darren McGavin), starts to see the merits of the hippie, Adrian (Jan-Michael Vincent), but the senior drill instructor refuses to budge an inch.

Adrian opens up a whole new world for Drake, one that he never considered. What turns Drake's head is that Adrian isn't some stereotypical drugged-out hippie; he's the most intelligent and fit recruit in his platoon, but how can this be since he dropped out of school and is a hippie? Through a learning attitude and meditational practices Adrian has tapped into a power source that gives him the edge over the rest of the recruits. Drake SEES it and can't deny it, especially since Adrian's techniques start working with the other recruits as well.

This shakens Drake because he had pegged all hippies as drug-addled vagabonds. But the evidence is undeniable and he can't help but develop respect for the hippie. It also rattles him because he comes to realize that Adrian, despite being only 19 years-old or so, is superior to him in some ways. In other words, the mentor could learn a thing or two from the mentee, which isn't the way it's supposed to be in boot camp. The good thing is that Drake is humble enough -- teachable enough -- to receive from Adrian whereas the senior drill instructor (Earl Holliman) is too arrogant and ape-ish to do anything but spurn him.

The film is smart in that it doesn't paint Adrian as omnipotent or wholly wise, nor is Drake the opposite. They both have valuable perspectives, intelligence & skills and can learn from each other, if they're open. For instance, Adrian is extraordinary when it comes to mental discipline and the power to overcome the physical and mental challenges of boot camp, but he fails miserable on the rifle range because his indoctrination cripples him from merely shooting a rifle, let alone shooting a human being. Adrian obviously adheres to absolute pacifism, which refuses to ever turn to violence in response to opposition or evil. Clearly Adrian could learn a thing or two about the necessity of self-defense and handling people who reject the grace of peace and are bent on destruction or evil. It's called limited pacifism, which is what Christ advocated -- a peaceable attitude that only resorts to violence if necessary (why else do you think Christ's disciples carried swords in their travels?). The title character in "Billy Jack" also embraced this philosophy.

The film was shot at the Marine Corps depot in San Diego; I went to boot camp at the one in Parris Island, SC. I bring up my experience because of some parallels with the movie. For instance, a spiritual leader rose up in my platoon, much as Adrian does in "Tribes," although he was older than Adrian and he adhered to a different spiritual discipline, Christianity. As the weeks wore on he proved himself over and over -- his mental/spiritual stamina -- and he attracted a following, who hanged around him during free time, much like the recruits do with Adrian. One similarity of these two is that they both led through humble, gentle wisdom rather than a domineering, bloviating spirit, like the drill instructors. In other words, they led without putting on the puke-inducing airs of conventional "leadership." They led simply by influencing people positively by their undeniable wisdom and the power they've obviously tapped into. This is true leadership.

I mention this because there are other ways to tap into extraordinary power than Transcendental Meditation, like Adrian, even superior ways. The Christian recruit I mentioned did it too, although it wasn't as unrealistically overdone as it was in the film with Adrian. Of course I realize it's a film and the filmmakers had to exaggerate some things to keep it interesting for its 90-minute runtime. What was unrealistic? Well, for one, the idea that Adrian was able to win over the ENTIRE platoon and, secondly, that every recruit was able to enter into such a deep state of meditation that Drake had a hard time waking them out of their inner bliss one morning, including Quentin who's taking drugs and is clearly unstable -- unstable enough to attempt suicide.

I bring the above up because "Tribes" shouldn't be pigeonholed as TM propaganda (although it may have that effect on some) anymore than the Christian's actions in my platoon could be construed as Christian propaganda. (By the way, I didn't hang around this guy, the things I mentioned above were just things I observed and it somewhat influenced me years later. So I guess he did positively influence me, huh?). The film simply shows that there's more for you -- more power, knowledge, wisdom -- if you seek it, but this treasure exists outside conventional training and educational structures.

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What's interesting is that both the drill instructors in the film are probably Christian, at least nominally. And it shows how sterile and powerless Christianity has become in the West, at least in some ways. Believe it or not, the Bible actually supports meditation, as Psalm 119:15-16 shows (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Psalm+119%3A15-16&version=NIV), not to mention the incredible power available through spiritual regeneration and the baptism of the Spirit.

These dynamic aspects of Christianity are generally written off, ignored or mocked by most denominations and blockheaded pastors, which is shameful. Is it any wonder that people -- even professing believers -- can be intrigued by TM and other such disciplines to the point that they think Christianity is somehow a lesser belief system? Actually, it's far more than a mere belief system or spiritual discipline.

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There was a lot of merit in your first comment. I remember seeing this movie about the time I was turning hippie-isa in my life. I liked it. But your second comment is a bit more out there and to me anyone not so relevant. Christianity started to lose its appeal when we started getting Jesus Freaks, and the Right-Wing started obsessing about abortion and repressive values. That was about the time religiosity began to wane a little in America. But, from what i have read America is still far more religious, far more dogmatic ... for less educated that ALL other Western developed nations.

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far less educated that ALL other Western developed nations


"Educated" to liberals really means "indoctrinated by Leftwing ideology." That's not education, but rather brainwashing.

As far as my second comment being "out there" goes, Adrian in the movie was "out there," which is what attracted the interest of Drill Instructor Drake and his fellow recruits in the platoon. We need more people who are mentally/spiritually sound, but "out there," free from societal brainwashing.

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>> "Educated" to liberals really means "indoctrinated by Leftwing ideology."

Educated means to understand what quotes are used for, for one thing.

But on the whole education means learning and understanding the history and order and knowledge of what came before so as a species we move forward.

Education is a process, not a thing to ridicule to excuse one's own intentional ignorance and laziness ... shoe fits, wear it.

It's a movie ... a movie. I don't think anyone is interested in or cares what it is you think we need more of it when they make an attempt to discuss something with you you fly out the window.

Maybe come back and discuss this when the drugs wear off.

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I don't do drugs, brah, including "meds," at least not since my ignorant days as a teen. Why would you assume otherwise?

Yes, "Tribes" is a movie and this is a discussion board for movies.

I paralleled events in the film to a similar situation in my own life. The only difference is that the 'Adrian' in my platoon wasn't a practitioner of Transcendental Meditation, but rather Christianity. The movie grossly exaggerates the former discipline and it would've been more effective if the writers took the realistic route. I still appreciate it though.

I then observed that the two drill instructors in the film were likely Christians, albeit in a nominal sense. Drake discovered a 'power' via Adrian that was real and it shook his world. True Christianity likewise offers power beyond the mundane to those who believe, know and live it by the Spirit, only more so. You think that's "out there." Fine. Believe as you will.

Real education is learning truth, reality (including topics like mathematics, geology, astronomy and common sense wisdom) and therefore improving oneself and, by extension, advancing society. Education is not being indoctrinated by lies, like the absurd idea that there are multitudes of genders. In short, liberal idiotology is not truly education.

repressive values


As opposed to what -- foolish, hedonistic non-values? Any spiritual belief system of actual value includes the idea of self-discipline. In other words, just because a thought/desire occurs to you or me, it doesn't mean it should be 'fed' and acted on. For instance, if the thought occurs to me to eat a whole gallon of ice cream every day it doesn't automatically mean I should submit to that desire and practice it. If I did, I'd eventually become a fat bastage and it would be destructive to my health. If I refuse to cave-in to that desire, does that mean I'm "repressed"? If so, then repression in this case is obviously a positive thing. This principle can be applied to any thought/desire, including sexual.

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> Why would you assume otherwise?

You are slow.

I am not really accusing you of doing drugs, I am accusing you of not being able to understand, accept, tolerate or communicate. Why would you assume I want to be lectured to or hear what your values are. I'd need to trust that you are intelligent enough to listen to, and you are not giving me any evidence of that.

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This is just a friendly discussion about interesting themes in a movie and relating them to real-life experiences. Why become curiously antagonistic? What's that say about your belief system?

Why would you assume I want to be lectured to or hear what your values are.


You are the one who brought up "repressive values." Don't bring something up if you don't want to honestly discuss it. I was merely illustrating the glaring illogic thereof, not "lecturing" you.

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attempting


( and failing )

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