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The most painfully long drawn out gay joke ever.


That scene with the Russian ballet dancers finding out Watson was apparently gay just seemed to go on and on and on.
What exactly was the point of anything between the opening 5 mins and 25 mins?
And just what was extraordinary about the Russian lead dancer's case? So she wanted to show up with a clever dick for appearances. Yes. And. So. What.
And how many times can a case be introduced as the most extraordinary? As soon as Watson introduces the nearly drowned woman's case as the most extraordinary case yet, I just rolled my eyes. But of course, what else could it be...

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Swan Lake. Lockness Monster. Dual identities. bere in mind this movie was well over 3 hours originally and obviously stuff was cut.

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It was very neat how they connected the two stories there. So, that part in the beginning that the OP didn't like was a set-up for a pay-off towards the end, which worked superbly.

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It was all about raising [sic] the issue of Holmes's sexuality and relationships with women, which is the chief theme of the movie.

I could have done without all of the group dancing, which seemed endless, but actually was there to show the dancers' reaction to the "revelation" about Watson's sexuality. But that was a set piece, it could have been removed with no damage to the film as a whole.

Here is a great analysis from a book about the director:

http://books.google.com/books?id=6kKX1n0kCJ8C&pg=PA148&lpg=PA1 48&dq=%22Mr.+and+Mrs.+Ashdown%22&source=bl&ots=45jZnDombT& amp;sig=ExejFHzveZWDgKzQuW5DAUxTwr0&hl=en&ei=RmDATZvVM_PQiALBn rWnAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=9&sqi=2 &ved=0CEYQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=%22Mr.%20and%20Mrs.%20Ashdown%22& amp;f=false

You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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And by the way, in spite of all of the reading between the lines that one can do in this movie, I believe that Wilder's intention was to present Holmes as decidedly NOT gay but also not able to maintain a relationship with a real woman.

You--lighten up. You--big trouble. You--get in the car.

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It may not have been the most original of the four episodes (not counting the introduction in 1969 London). "Beautiful woman wants to be impregnated by intelligent man to have child that is both beautiful and intelligent" is an old anecdote, which some have responded to with the following: "What if the child has the looks of the father and the brains of the mother?" The studio, for whatever reason, decided to keep this episode over the other two comic ones. As for the pacing: each of the four episodes (or five, if you count the introduction) was given its appropriate duration, some longer, some shorter. I would have liked to have seen the upside-down room story myself, but the studio decided to keep the ballet dancer episode and the German spy one and reduce the intro to a minute, so that is what you have.

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Maybe the OP has a problem with gay guys. I don't think it was drawn out at all and I thought it was pretty funny. I think it was kept in to establish that Holmes and Watson were NOT lovers.

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It was funny, and considering this was a 1970 film, I tolerate the "drawn out gay joke" more than in the current "Sherlock" series on BBC (which is great, but the recurring gay jokes there really get on my nerves).

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Not only was the one scene concerning the ballet dancers drawn out, so was the entire film. Take, for example, the search for the correct castle. The time spent showing various scenery was truly a waste. Was the audience of 1970 so much more easy to please than today's audience (2013)? The whole reputation of Sherlock Holmes as a brilliant detective and the superiority of Sir Arthur Conan Doyle as a writer are both marginalized by this movie.

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I agree. And on bicycles? Too hard to actually have done. They should have hired a horse-drawn whatchyacallit.

There are other details I didn't care for, but maybe that's just me. The Queen was unrealistic, and not funny. And the end where the bad guys are killed is vile, even if a time of war. I can't remember exactly, but it wasn't war yet, was it?


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Wow, someone still reads my comments! The US was into the Vietnam war, yes. Who is that picture for your profile? is that you?

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It looks like Jason Robards in Once Upon a Time in the West.

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