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Was Patton anti-Semitic?


As the other thread was deleted by the OP I will post this here instead- just read this quote on Facebook but don't know where it is originally from:
(Posted by Alex Zaretser)

"It was Patton’s job after the defeat of Germany to run the displaced-persons (DP) camps in southern Germany, where he was commanding officer. In the view of some, including an outraged President Harry S. Truman, he treated the Holocaust survivors little better than the Nazis did.
In a letter to Eisenhower, Truman quoted from a report on conditions in the DP camps. “As matters now stand, we appear to be treating the Jews as the Nazis treated them except that we do not exterminate them. They are in concentration camps in large numbers under our military guard instead of SS troops. One is led to wonder whether the German people, seeing this, are not supposing that we are following or at least condoning Nazi policy.”
The “military guard” that Truman mentioned was Patton’s idea. He had his reasons, Patton wrote in his diary:
“If they [the Jewish DPs] were not kept under guard they would not stay in the camps, would spread over the country like locusts, and would eventually have to be rounded up after quite a few of them had been shot and quite a few Germans murdered and pillaged.” At least twice in his diary, Patton referred to the Jewish DPs as “animals”:
The report to Truman was written by Earl G. Harrison, the dean of the University of Pennsylvania’s law school who had inspected the camps. Here is what Patton thought about Harrison: “Harrison and his ilk believe that the Displaced Person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to Jews who are lower than animals.” He went on to say that the Jews had “no sense of human relationships,”
Harrison was sent in 1946 by President Truman to investigate the issue of Jewish displaced persons. Patton viewed this mission as a conspiracy by Jews in Washington, D.C such as "Morgenthau and Baruch." Later Patton wrote about "...a very apparent Semitic influence in the press...they are trying to implement communism."
Unfortunately, Patton wasn’t all talk. He let Nazis bunk with Jews and gave them positions of authority, disobeying General Eisenhower’s command to “de-Nazify” the camps.
Patton was fired and, of course, he blamed Jews and Communists for his problems. From Patton's terminology one can learn the way that for years American officers defined Jews: 'Jewish problem', 'Jewish Press', 'Jewish Threat', 'Jewish Conspiracy', 'Jewish Communism', 'Jewish international conspiracy to control the world' and the 'protocols of the leaders of Zion.' Even the term Zionism became an issue for the army; Zionism was defined as a component of the "protocols." And even "Israel" became a component of the "protocols."

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Here's the other thread almost in its entirety:

None of the several Jewish soldiers who served on his staff or under his command, to include Major General Maurice Rose, commanding general of the 3rd Armored Division and the highest-ranking Jew in the US Army in World War II, ever recorded any perception that Patton felt any bias against them. Rose was a protege of Patton.

Of course, a few comments in diary entries and personal letters to his family completely outweigh the fact that he liberated more Nazi concentration camps and saved more Jewish lives than any other Allied field army commander on the Western front, and then forced the citizens of the German towns next to these camps to march through them to see what had happened under their noses.

I think you'll find that was Ike's doing.
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There's plenty of documentation that the first camp liberated by US troops was at Ohrdruf. General Walton Walker, Patton's subordinate corps commander, sent the town's mayor and his wife into the camp, and they committed suicide as soon as they got home. Patton originated the order to send the entire town in the next day, around the same time Eisenhower arrived on scene.

Eisenhower shortly afterward put out a general order that everything at all camps be photographed and documented "because some day some sonofabitch is going to claim that this never happened." But the idea of marching all the civilians from the neighboring towns through the camp originated with Patton and Walker.

Strange then that according to the New York Times, Patton wrote that people believe that a "displaced person is a human being, which he is not, and this applies particularly to the Jews who are lower than animals."

Surely the New York Times wouldn't tell lies...would they? :-)
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Seriously? Ever heard of Walter Duranty? Judith Miller? Michael Finkel? How about Jayson Blair?

I'm thankful on both counts that I'm not American, and that I don't live in America. Or even wish to.
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Well, on that at least we are in agreement; I'm glad you don't live here as well

Well waddaya know? The Obnoxious OP 'scarpered'....


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That WAS Ike's doing. Much like Obama, he secretly hated Jews. And yet sadly, they still vote this way. Israel stands no chance with these lefty communists. Great with money, horrible with political choices. Can I get a what what? Back it up...back it up..

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WHere's a fun clip I saved from another poster, many moons ago:

for those who still like to point to the "Jewish nature" of Bolshevism, I want to stress that Soviet Bolshevism completely lost all its "Jewishness" by 1939, for the Jews were wiped out by Stalin's terror (along with early Russian, Polish and other idealistic "world revolutionaries") from the Soviet bureaucracy and the secret police. By the way, after the 1950s, there was a strict rule: people of Jewish origin were not to be hired into Soviet secret police and into top military positions.
Another interesting thing that: many of those "useful idiots" who came to Soviet Russia from US in the 1920s-1930s to be swept away by the Stalin's terror were people of Jewish origin.







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for those who still like to point to the "Jewish nature" of Bolshevism, I want to stress that Soviet Bolshevism completely lost all its "Jewishness" by 1939, for the Jews were wiped out by Stalin's terror (along with early Russian, Polish and other idealistic "world revolutionaries") from the Soviet bureaucracy and the secret police. By the way, after the 1950s, there was a strict rule: people of Jewish origin were not to be hired into Soviet secret police and into top military positions.


In what way were Jews targeted by Stalin? In which particular case? They were not the subjects of the purges, unless by coincidence. They were not the direct targets of the Holodomor, except that a lot of Jewish people lived in Ukraine. They were not even part of the de-kulakization move before that. They were not the targets of collective farming...

The only change I can find is that at the end of WWII, Jews were the only Soviet citizens who were given unrestricted right to leave. This suited them as much as anyone.

The existence of Stalin's reign of terror is not disputed. The loose references to it are. I would dispute the contention that Stalin deliberately targeted Jews (barring a couple, like Trotsky). But during the purges they were targeted not for their ethnicity but for their influence.

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Well he was apparently planning 'final solution pt deux' with the Doctors Conspiracy...hell, I'm sure when Uncle Joe rubbed out all the old Bolshies, a lot of them happened to be Jewish so it's just...ironic like that 'rain on your wedding day' song.





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Well, I've read a lot about that and I have yet to see anything to say that killing off Jews was part of his plan. I'm currently reading "A Failed Empire" by Vladislav Zubok and haven't seen any references to this.

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for those who still like to point to the "Jewish nature" of Bolshevism, I want to stress that Soviet Bolshevism completely lost all its "Jewishness" by 1939, for the Jews were wiped out by Stalin's terror (along with early Russian, Polish and other idealistic "world revolutionaries") from the Soviet bureaucracy and the secret police. By the way, after the 1950s, there was a strict rule: people of Jewish origin were not to be hired into Soviet secret police and into top military positions.


In what way were Jews targeted by Stalin? In which particular case? They were not the subjects of the purges, unless by coincidence. They were not the direct targets of the Holodomor, except that a lot of Jewish people lived in Ukraine. They were not even part of the de-kulakization move before that. They were not the targets of collective farming...

The only change I can find is that at the end of WWII, Jews were the only Soviet citizens who were given unrestricted right to leave. This suited them as much as anyone.

The existence of Stalin's reign of terror is not disputed. The loose references to it are. I would dispute the contention that Stalin deliberately targeted Jews (barring a couple, like Trotsky). But during the purges they were targeted not for their ethnicity but for their influence.

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Right...it just so happened many were Jewish;

Anyway, losta of my overseas family tree are/were devout Commies/Statists-and virulent anti semites as well (thinly disguised as anti zionists/anti bankers of course); anyway, they loved to tell me 'Christianity' was a Jewish fairy tale. I used to love to tell them Marxism was the 'other Jewish fairy tale'. Some of them even tried to wear their hair (head & facial) like Trotsky or Lenin so I'd tell 'em Hey Comrade BRONSHTEIN, you gonna wear a Yarmulka with that?






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Yeah, Trotsky was Jewish. That's one. Zinoviev was another. Lenin's maternal grandmother was but he wasn't. It's all coincidental. I have never got the supposed significance of this so-called Jewish-Bolshevik conspiracy so many advocate today. Do people not realise this was a cornerstone of Hitler's extermination policy? My question every time is the same: "So what?" If you go down that path it inevitably leads to people like Christopher Bollyn - Jew haters and holocaust deniers etc. who contribute nothing constructive to society and promote hatred. I'm not saying you're one of those. I'm just saying you should chose your bedfellows carefully.

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You know what they say: You can't choose your family...but you're right that Jew Hate is still pretty 'prominent' in a lot of places under a lot of disguises.






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for those who still like to point to the "Jewish nature" of Bolshevism, I want to stress that Soviet Bolshevism completely lost all its "Jewishness" by 1939, for the Jews were wiped out by Stalin's terror (along with early Russian, Polish and other idealistic "world revolutionaries") from the Soviet bureaucracy and the secret police. By the way, after the 1950s, there was a strict rule: people of Jewish origin were not to be hired into Soviet secret police and into top military positions.


In what way were Jews targeted by Stalin? In which particular case? They were not the subjects of the purges, unless by coincidence. They were not the direct targets of the Holodomor, except that a lot of Jewish people lived in Ukraine. They were not even part of the de-kulakization move before that. They were not the targets of collective farming...

The only change I can find is that at the end of WWII, Jews were the only Soviet citizens who were given unrestricted right to leave. This suited them as much as anyone.

The existence of Stalin's reign of terror is not disputed. The loose references to it are. I would dispute the contention that Stalin deliberately targeted Jews (barring a couple, like Trotsky). But during the purges they were targeted not for their ethnicity but for their influence.

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Only morons stereotype.

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As a general, Patton may have been brilliant, but isn't some noble hero. If one wants to be completely honest, he was also a warmonger and egotist who lived for war, nothing else, and wanted to win at all costs, despite the unnecessary loss of men. I wouldn't have any trouble believing he was anti-semitic or anti any other ethnic group

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Americans are bullies full stop

egotist who lived for war

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Your shtick is getting boring; find new material or try harder.





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The consensus of history, from the Old Testament depiction of the Israelites towards other people, to Cicero, to Shakespeare, to Voltaire, to Mark Twain, to HG Wells, to Roald Dahl, is that Jews as a group--their political influence, is destructive to the host society. They lie, cheat, harm people who are not Jews.

This has been demonstrated countless times.

Now it seems Trump is a Hitler because he wants to bring jobs back to the US and stop crime.

Um?
So that must mean Hitler wasn't as bad as we were told.

Because Hitler and the National Socialists said the Jewish media and bankers were harming their society-and the Bolsheviks in Russia were dangerous violent fanatics.

Also, it was jewish scientists who pushed for the creation of the Atomic bomb. There is no evidence the Germans planned to.

And the claim that Hitler wanted to exterminate Jews is also not holding up to scrutiny (which is why they use laws to punish people who question it).


Voltaire(addressing Jews): "You seem to be the maddest of the lot. The Kaffirs, the Hottentots, the Negroes of Guinea are much more reasonable and more honest people than your ancestors, the Jews. You have surpassed all nations in impertinent fables, in bad conduct, and in barbarism. You deserved to be punished, for this is your destiny..[The Jewish nation] dares spread an irreconcilable hatred against all nations; it revolts against all its masters. Always superstitious, always avid of the well-being enjoyed by others, always barbarous, crawling in misfortune, and insolent in prosperity. Here are what were the Jews in the eyes of the Greeks and the Romans who could read their books....I would not be in the least bit surprised if these people [Jews] would not some day become deadly to the human race."

Martin Luther (he spoke well of Jews until he read the Talmud so they say) "They rob and fleece us and hang about our necks, these lazy weaklings and indolent bellies; they swill and feast, enjoy good times in our homes, and by way of reward they curse our Lord Christ, our churches, our princes, and all of us, threatening us and unceasingly wishing us death and every evil."

Immanuel Kant: The Jews are by nature “sharp dealers” who are “bound together by superstition.” Their “immoral and vile” behavior in commerce shows that they “do not aspire to civic virtue,” for “the spirit of usury holds sway amongst them.” They are “a nation of swindlers” who benefit only “from deceiving their host’s culture.”

Baruch Spinoza (himself a Jew) ""The Jews were entirely unfit to frame a wise code of laws and to keep the
sovereign power vested in the community;"


Benjamin Disraeli, a Jewish convert to Christianity, "the native tendency of the Jewish race is against the doctrine of the equality of man. They have also another characteristic -- the faculty of acquisition ... Their bias is to religion, property, and natural aristocracy."


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I'd have to read a few objective bios of Patton to know if he was really an anti-Semite. But some of his quotes I've read seem to be kind of reaction to Jewish life and behavior rather than an innate, "natural"/endemic anti-Semitism, e.g., Patton was repulsed at the filth and stench of a synagogue...to the extent that, recalling it later in the day, he lost his lunch. Lack of hygiene bothered him, and apparently he found that unpleasantness among some European Jews. Is his reaction anti-Semitism, or is it simply a natural, understandable reaction...? Same with the DPs - he seemed to be reacting to their rebellious nature, uncleanliness, and violence - again, is that Patton being a bigot, or Patton being a civilized person confronted by uncivilized people?

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