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Medical patients SUFFERED as a result of this film


For years, doctors felt like they could be the biggest *beep* that ever walked the earth. As long as they were "good at medicine", they could abuse patients and take advantage of nurses and other hospital staff with impunity. There were some compassionate souls in medicine, and by the 60's a more humanistic and compassionate view towards the patient begin to take hold among physicians. Then MASH came along.

This movie is a nonstop glorification of *beep* doctors. The protagonists do whatever pleases them at the moment, and everyone else be damned. It's not enough to treat women as sexual playthings; women have to be subjugated, enslaved, and passed around like a joint at Woodstock. It's not enough to disagree with someone elses political or religious views; those who disagree with you must be humiliated and destroyed. This all makes for a zany, anarchic, comedy entertainment (I admit I laughed as much as anyone when I saw it). The tragedy is, too many doctors in real-life saw their MASH counterparts as positive role models.

By the time I entered medical school in the mid-80's this film had taken hold of the physician culture. Residents and medical students on-call quarters were referred to as, "the swamp". Favorite teachers and house staff got nicknames like "Hawkeye", and "Radar". That in itself was harmless, but I also witnessed multiple incidents of patients being abused for the physician's own amusement.

When I was a third year medical student, I was told by an attending Internal Medicine physician to approach an attractive female patient and ask her to permit a nude photo of herself to, in the attending's words, "complete her medical record". When I asked the attending if this was true, he replied, "Hell no! I just want to see if she shaves her c()^t! The attending added that, if I refused to go along, he'd see to it that I'd never match in ANY postgraduate medical program (you can't practice unless you have at least 3 years of postgraduate training beyond medical school).

I could give you more examples of similar scenarios that I've witnessed in the last 25 years. In my opinion, few men are responsible for more human misery and mistreatment than Robert Altman and Ring Lardner Jr.

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Some doctors are jerks, and many have developed a God Complex, but it is hard for me to believe that comes from MASH. While I personally found the surgeons in MASH to be insufferably smug and unlikable, they never mistreated their patients in any way.

But if doctors and medical students are indeed so susceptible to pop culture influence, then I guess we can count on a slew of acerbic, drug-addicted, unshaven, cane-carrying doctors a la House for the next few decades.



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I seriously doubt that the movie, MASH, had as much of an effect as the tv show M*A*S*H did on the attitudes of medical proffesionals around the time of it's broadcast. And even then, I think it is far too easy to come to the conclusions that you have,


Anyway, the subjugation and enslavement etc that you describe is not aimed at the patients in this movie, who are all male by the way, but reserved for the nursing staff. Something which is true to the experiences of the author of the source material.

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"This movie is a nonstop glorification of *beep* doctors."

I'd say Hawkeye and Trapper in this movie are exactly that, whereas their TV show counterparts represent the more compassionate and humanistic views.

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I don't think what you experienced came as a result of the film, but rather the television series, which went out of it's way to glorify the surgeons. The film depicts them as human, but more comedically, whereas in the TV show they were all put on a pedestal, except for the one episode per season where the actors got to ham it up and go for their Emmy award.

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In my opinion, few men are responsible for more human misery and mistreatment than Robert Altman and Ring Lardner Jr.


Oh, I could think of two or three thousand who might place ahead of them. Your (spurious) anecdotal observations, if they're even true, are the responsibility of the people who carried them out, not the people who made a movie they were emulating.

Let me know where you practice. I have a number of health issues and would like to make sure I don't come anywhere near you. You sound as if you have a lot of emotional and psychological problems.

"My brain rebelled, and insisted on applying logic where it was not welcome."

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Having worked in a hospital for 5 years and have seen many things I never thought I would, I don't doubt a word that the OP has to say. I feel sorry for you if you have the blinders on and think that these kinds of incidents don't happen, and that patients, who are the ones without the power, get abused in countless ways all the time. They are at the mercy of whatever kind of dr/caregiver they end up with. Also, don't think that they are only in one part of the country, you are fooling yourself. There are a lot of good, kind physicians out there. And not.

To each their own...opinion

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There's good and bad in every profession. I don't doubt the OP's original post, but not all doctors turn out that way. I was in a serious car accident and have had a team of doctors for 12 years helping me recover and they are all the greatest and their staff always said they were great people. Some of the doctors have cared so much to give me their personal home numbers or to call the office if I'm having a problem and they'll work me into an appointment and stay late. I got very lucky because I didn't have a family physician so I got assigned the doctor on call at the hospital that day, and he's been the greatest and a good friend ever since.
But, I also witnessed doctors with the "God Complex". My parents were significantly injured in an explosion while on vacation and they ended up at a University Hospital where most of the doctors were under 30. A couple were absolutely arrogant and couldn't tolerate us asking questions. I nearly physically struck one if my brother wouldn't have stopped me. We also dealt with some surgeon who kept changing his prognosis the more we questioned him. We were forced to decide if he would try to repair my mother's severly crushed foot or whether we should amputate. With my mother suffering from many other injuries, she was in an induced coma so the family had to decide. The doctor wanted to go ahead and do the reconstruction surgery. I saw the photos of her foot in her chart and couldn't believe that it could be put back together. As we continued to meet with him, the number of surgeries it would take to "fix" her foot kept changing. First he told us 1 operation. Than 2-3. Finally he said it would take several, and then he admitted even after several surgeries it might not work and they'd have to amputate anyway. I asked him point blank if he ever repaired an injury as severe as my mother's and he said, "no but that's how we learn". Well I told him he wasn't going to practice on her since he was just an orthapedic surgeon and didn't really seem to know about her other injuries. I asked about the skin and he said they'd take it from her abdomin. Her abdomin had about 100 staples and stiches holding her together from having to have her spleen removed. I couldn't believe what this guy was saying. When we told him the whole family agreed amputation was best, he told us we were making a bad decision. The day of the procedure, he even unsedated my mother and tried to get her to agree to more surgery but luckily my wife and I were there and convinced her to let go. The doctor walked away angry. Next came in a plastic surgeon who introduced himself and said he was going to do the skin grafts and had just finished reviewing her chart. When I told him we had just told the other doctor to amputate, this doctor had the greatest look of relief come over him and privately admitted we were doing the right thing. None of the other doctors would talk about another if you asked them if the other doctor was any good. Luckily we got my parents stabilized and shipped back home where they're own doctors could see to their long-term care and recovery. The orthopedic doctor never even came to see us after the surgery or for the next few days before we got her out of there and back home. I'm grateful my parents were lucky to have a trauma center to go to or else my mother would have probably not made it, but I did witness how some doctors just believe themselves to be above everything. The nurses and the hospital staff were the best and really helped us out. 11 years later, my Mom's very active, walks without a limp on a prostetic and has traveled the world. We never regret the decision we made.

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I'm really sorry to hear about all the trauma your family has suffered. I'm glad you all have been able to find some talented, committed medical staff to treat you. It can mean a huge difference to your quality of life.

To each their own...opinion

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Doctors must be a truly dumb lot if they´re seriously taking cues for their professional behaviour from a military comedy. Just lay everything on Robert Altman.



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People are blaming MASH for prick doctors which have always existed? Must be like when Captain Kangaroo blamed the A-Team for the drug problem in America.

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....and I'll bet that frat boys never did anything naughty until "Animal House" came out in 1978, either.

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