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the whole Painless suicide thing. . .


maybe i'm a total blockhead, but i didn't get any of it. can someone explain it?

BOO!

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What's to get?

The dentist, who was legendary for his well-endowment and sexual prowess, has a bad night (i.e., he couldn't get it up) and starts doubting his own sexual orientation.
He decides to commit suicide.
His friends humor him, going so far as to arrange a fake suicide on his behalf ("the Black Capsule") and instead of dying, he has sex with a beautiful nurse who restores his self-confidence.


End of story.

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Yeah, this was my favourite "segment": The story of Painless.

It was a truly wonderful short story inside this military portrait and Painless is my favourite character.

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it was kind of stupid, but it lead to the "last supper" scene & nurse dish helicopter take off scene

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i love the face of dish when she leaves ahahahhahahHAHHAHAHAHAH

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That's the kind of facial expression that I like to see, the look of complete satisfaction.

Brains are good, especially when sauteed with caramelized onions.

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<< The dentist, who was legendary for his well-endowment and sexual prowess, has a bad night (i.e., he couldn't get it up) and starts doubting his own sexual orientation. He decides to commit suicide. His friends humor him, going so far as to arrange a fake suicide on his behalf ("the Black Capsule") and instead of dying, he has sex with a beautiful nurse who restores his self-confidence. End of story. >>

Yup, that's it.

Completely retarded sequence. And unbelievably dated.

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Totally agree--I liked it for the very same reasons you did, especially the "dated" quality that it conveys so well!

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I thought it was extremely stupid, and further proof that many men think the entire world revolves around their *****. Grow up. It doesn't.

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I think it's the best scene in the film, and it led me to believe that M*A*S*H is one of the few perfect movies I've seen. Every persons life is filled with incredibly bizarre pointless events and this movie shows that that can even happen in the time of war.

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Actually, from a biological sense, the whole world does evolve around a man's penis. From a biological sense our entire purpose is to exist, procreate, and die. Well, if you can't procreate, from a biological sense that is something that is difficult to go through. And also, Painless isn't supposed to be like a 50 year old man who goes impotent. He was a 30 year old (or younger) guy who had never failed at sex before. Had he continued to fail at sex, well, that's pretty devastating.

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Try having a bad DECADE, though impotence isn't the issue; just being an all out failure is worse. I'm surprised I'm still alive. If I only had friends like those in the 4077th... Maybe the characters aren't as disgusting and vile as everyone claims on this board.

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"Maybe the characters aren't as disgusting and vile as everyone claims on this board."

Baloney! That fake suicide for Painless is the ONLY good thing Hawkeye does. Just like the only good thing Trapper does is punch out Frank Burns on Boone's behalf.

And Lt. Dish is a common harlot. She'd sleep with anybody, although she was reluctant to sleep with Painless during that scene? Why?? Painless was more attractive than Hawkeye. I hate Dish. In my new MASH story, I'm having her die off.

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Yeah..... good luck with that.


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Thank you. She's gonna get it. I'm gonna write a fit end for her.

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what evidence is there that she sleeps with everyone?
i dont remember there being a wh0re meeting with her showing her having it off with every other doctor

you are so utterly obsessed with this film its unhealthy

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She's a married woman who'd gladly sleep with somebody like Hawkeye, that says alot for her character.

"i dont remember there being a wh0re meeting with her showing her having it off with every other doctor"

They probably cut that part out.

"you are so utterly obsessed with this film its unhealthy"

I couldn't dislike this movie more.

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I couldn't dislike this movie more.

Of course you could. There isn't anything that anyone dislikes that they couldn't dislike just a little more. What if a heavy film can containing the movie fell off a shelf and broke your big toe? I'll bet you'd dislike it more then.

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...Riiiiiight.

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Besides, if you really disliked the movie that much, you'd probably post about it a lot more.

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What else is there to say? I've already told you the concept was great, but the execution sucked. The performances were bad and unrehearsed, the director couldn't direct a movie to save his life, the story sucked, the plot was scarce, you can't hear what the characters are saying because they all talk over one another, the characters are unlikeable, particularly that tart Dish.

It's not a good movie. It would've been a better movie had they got a better director. Why Robert Altman? His field was independent filmmaking. They could've gotten somebody good like Mel Brooks, but I guess being true to Richard Hooker and his books, they lowered their standards.




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I'd say the only likeable characters were Judson, Vollmer and Mulcahy.

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I agree that those characters weren't as likable as Hawkeye, Radar, Henry, and the rest of the gang. But they're still pretty funny. I think I'll go watch it again right now!

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Hawkeye, Radar, Henry and the rest of the gang weren't in the least bit likeable.

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In the movie he was a decent guy, but was more or less a fool whom nobody took seriously.

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That's what I liked about his character, too. Everyone seemed to not take him seriously, yet they liked him and never actually poked fun at him.

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They still disrespected him, what with that nickname and cursing right in front of him.

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Yeah, it was cool that they would make him part of the gang and everything!

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What's the use in talking to you? You twist around everything I say to make it seem good. You like this movie, I hate it.

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I think you may have misinterpreted some of my comments. This is one of my favorite movies!

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"This is one of my favorite movies!"

Why?

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Hey, I was agreeing with you, dude. It's a great movie!

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It sucks. Accept it.

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What sucks? That people won't accept it?

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Will you stop, please?

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You do realize you're saying this movie is bad when over 25,000 other people have decided it should be rated a 7.5 on IMDB, right? 7.5 is a really impressive rating with that many votes.

I'm not saying that the consensus is the only correct opinion, but, you do look like an idiot when you come out opposite to the consensus without making any concession for the qualities of a movie that over 25... thousand... people have already voiced as one of their favorites.

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"That fake suicide for Painless is the ONLY good thing Hawkeye does. Just like the only good thing Trapper does is punch out Frank Burns on Boone's behalf."

I guess patching up soldiers and saving lives doesn't count as doing good?
I'm just asking.

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"I guess patching up soldiers and saving lives doesn't count as doing good?
I'm just asking."

Well maybe if we saw more of that and less of Trap and Hawk getting drunk and thinking up new ways of pissing everybody off.

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Besides....why the hell would you spend this much time posting in a forum for a movie if you hated the movie?

PS: Don't feed the trolls!

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a ground braking movie,

perhaps not the best war film ever, as ExplorerDS6789 claims, but still very good.

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"Dish was completely willing to sleep with Painless when she saw his cock."

I thought that was the reason for his wanting to commit suicide: he couldn't "get it up".

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"Grow up. It doesn't."

Shut your mouth, child.

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"and further proof that many men think the entire world revolves around their *****."

You mean it doesn't?

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Its a movie, its supposed to be FUNNY, the whole point was he cared to much about it....god some people look for bad in everything...

best part of the movie...

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"many of us guys aren't so picky that we're willing to bed even the ugliest of broads just to further re-populate the planet."

The world's populated enough. Do it a favor and adopt.




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Painless Pole the camp dentist failed to become erect for the third time in sexual encounter and feared he was suffering from "Latent Homosexuality"and was covering it up with"Don Juanism". Believing that it was only a matter of time before he would be compelled to act on it he asked the Swamp Rats to help him commit suicide.

Trapper, Hawkeye and Duke wanting to help Painless but not willing to kill him find a third option and staging a suicide and manipulate Lt. Dish into reaffirming his hetrosexual impulses.

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I thought it was an amazing scene. Just kept going further and further and further.

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This sequence points to both the good and the "bad" of MASH the movie (though the "bad" was pretty good for its time.)

It traces to somebody's review blurb which was put on the posters for MASH after awhile in 1970:

"MASH is what the new freedom of the screen is all about!"

That new freedom -- to show nudity, to hear cusswords, to simulate sex, to show the goriest of gore -- was granted by the MPAA at the end of 1968 and it took 1969(The Wild Bunch, Midnight Cowboy), 1970(MASH) and 1971(A Clockwork Orange, Dirty Harry, Straw Dogs) to "get it out there."

MASH is a "military comedy." Well, in the movies of the 50s and 60s, a "military comedy" would be something like "Operation Mad Ball"(with Jack Lemmon and Mickey Rooney), or "Operation Petticoat"(a submarine movie with Cary Grant and Tony Curtis and some curvaceous Navy nurses), or "Wake Me When Its Over" -- a WWII comedy set on a Pacific island base.

In 1964, the military comedy took a "tough step forward" with "The Americanization of Emily." It starred James Garner and Julie Andrews and Garner called it his favorite movie of his. It had an overarticulate script by Paddy Chayefsky(years before he wrote The Hospital and Network) and it focussed in hard -- even in a "sympathetic WWII context"(the Nazis MUST lose) to the slaughter and carnage and heartbreak of war. We didn't SEE any carnage, but it was a step away from Operation Petticoat.

Came 1970 and MASH, all those previous military comedies looked...pretty damn tame. The blood gushing out of one soldier's jugular vein provided the gore; the rest of the movie provided the sex.

Hence...Painless. With other men LINING up to go into a tent to LOOK at his giant penis. (Gay? Not necessarily. Just curious and impressed.) With the photos of THREE woman in his tent because -- you want to get women, get a big penis. And with ...impotency. Not "hidden or alluded to" as in old censored films like Cat on a Hot Tin Roof.

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The "bad" element (seen through today's PC eyes) is how Painless, in deciding that his impotency with a woman must mean that he is "homosexual" (gay or queer just wouldn't cut it)...seeks to commit suicide to avoid the shame of it all.

And indeed, as has been posted above me, the scene just keeps going and going and going, with our very sympathetic buddies staging a "last supper" with a fake cyanide pill, the singing of the truly poignent "Suicide is Painless"(which is trul great in both the opening credits here AND the singing by the actor...and NOT good in the cutesie-pie TV sitcom intrumental of the song.)

As a capper, the married Hawkeye convinces his married mistress (LIeutenant Dish) to forego one last sex session with him before going home the next day -- to service Painless instead.

"Line 'em up" in terms of "what the new screen freedom is all about":

A focus on a man's penis as his prowess.
Impotency (as a specific issue.)
Homosexuality(as a controversially dire plight.)
Suicide(as an acceptable way out.)
Blasphemy (that "Last Supper" spoof would not have flown in the church-controlled Hollywood of the 50s.
Adultery(in which the married mistress of a married man takes direction to service ANOTHER married man.)

1970 was a new time at the movies. The Painless sequence had all of the above but was -- let's face it -- both quite funny and quite sexy, too.

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