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some problems i had with this movie


the germans get shot down way to easy. it was almost as if they were ants that got disposed of. in the car chase Mary and Schaffer seem to be able to hit every german that comes after them. even when they are not aiming and are shooting sporadically they hit germans. the germans on the other hand who at least outnumber them 1 to 1000 do absolutely no damage.

things are also to convenient for the main good characters at some points.

Schaffer needs to barricade the door and convenient enough there is a couple of planks next to the door at his disposal. or when they need to bail the cabin there happens to be a small river right beneath them that is not only not frozen but also not too shallow.
and how did they know the germans were waiting for them. ok its assumable but the germans have been ten steps behind so far and its not like they were able to see the germans. i was actually surprised to see the germans waiting for them.

also the amount of ammunition they carried was unbelievable.
Schaffer carried enough dynamite to make hiroshima look like a fart.
they also emptied more clips than the entire german regiment (or whatever the size was) that was present there.

these are some of the things that bugged me in the latter part of the movie but still giving it a 6 because it had a nice story and nice plot twists.

anyone here that shares the same thoughts?

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I agree. I also wonder why those double agents didn't take Schaffer as hostage in the cable car with them. Not doing this allowed Smith to go after them with 1 less major worry.

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agreed. they could have bargained for more too.

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I agree with the above. One major flaw that always takes me out of the movie is the scene where one of the spies fake a foot injury, and the Clint Eastwood character immediately drops everything to tend to the injured man, giving them ample opportunity to thump him down.

In reality, no soldier in his right mind would fall for something like that, especially with proven liars and renegades.

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Watched it a couple of days ago and it bugged me too that Schaeffer went to check on a traitor because the fool hurt his ankle.

In the book, the two characters are not so far apart in the room, so the fall turns into a way to kick the feet from under Schaeffer (or something), anyway, it makes more sense and doesn't make Schaeffer look like an idiot.

And yes, carrying around all that ammo and dynamite must have been tough going.

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Ah Hollywood, where one never needs to reload a gun - any gun - and there is always ample tnt around when one needs it. Yes, it was ridiculous, but so is just about every major Hollywood movie that involves shooting and/or blowing things up. So I can't condemn this otherwise excellent film for that faux pas.

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Don`t have problems with this movie-just enjoy it!

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They actually showed them reloading quite often, and showed them hulking around backpacks. They even bothered to show us a scene of them hoisting a heavy backpack up into the castle.

I give this schlocky action movie a lot of credit for these little nods since very few films actually bother.

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My biggest problem with this film is the part where the general alarm is set off and what do the Germans do to get to Eastwood and company before they escape? Why they spend a great amount of time breaking the castles wooden doors with sledge hammers.

Never mind they had cannon,grenades and other explosives lying around. It really spoils the film for me.

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For a lot of this section of the story, the soldiers in the castle think they're being attacked by a division, which was the purpose of blowing up the armory. Plus, up until a certain point, the Germans have no idea precisely where in the castle they are after the shootout outside the radio room. All the Germans involved in that exchange died - Schaffer killed a bunch, the three sent to get Kramer blew themselves up opening the dining room door, and then Schaffer also killed the lead officer and his men after they left and then doubled back. The explosion that killed the guys who went up there later went unnoticed in the general calamity of the courtyard, and, besides, our heroes were all the way on the opposite side of the castle by that point so it didn't matter if the Germans knew if they were still in the radio room or not.

It seems as though the main force was also too busy fighting fires and trying to do damage control in the courtyard whilst the team was accessing the cable car control room. By the time the Germans realized they were in there, Schaffer had already barricaded two sets of doors for the Germans to waste time battering down while they prepared to make their getaway (with only the sudden attack and attempted escape of Christiansen and Berkeley setting them back). As to why the Germans didn't use explosives, why would they? So much stuff was blowing up already or on fire it's doubtful they wanted to risk starting any more fires or do any more damage to the castle, so they resorted to non-explosive means of knocking down the barricaded doors.

The real question is how and when the Germans figured out they were even in the cable car control room. I have two theories. Possibly those guys they locked out prior to climbing out the window and then climbing down to the control room broke through finally, found the room empty, and realized where they'd climbed down to and reported to the Germans in the courtyard. Or perhaps someone saw the cable car going down (when Christiansen and Berkeley took it) and then said cable car exploded, a big clue that the cable car control room was where the intruders were. Or both.

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Nope, I don't share any thoughts with you...

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Some of what you say makes sense, but ask yourself why you were surprised at the obvious. Loads of explosions and fires at the Schloss and you expect the town garrison to ignore it?

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So many things wrong with the OP.

“the germans get shot down way to easy …at least outnumber them 1 to 1000 ”

1000 to 1?? Only 24 Germans are actively engaged in the bus chase. 7 in the town (4 on a truck and 3 in the street), 2 at a guard post, 2 on a motorcycle with sidecar, 3 in a car before the bridge blows, 4 guards at the airport, and 6 in two cars at the airport. (7+2+2+3+4+3+3=24). 4 of those were driving vehicles and weren’t firing, so only 20 Germans shot at them during the chase; only 20. 9 of the 20 Germans shot were in the open while Eastwood and Ure were firing from behind the bus seat (3 in the street, 2 at the guard post, and 4 at the airport). Of the 11 remaining Germans in vehicles who were shot, 8 were shot by someone in a fixed position (Ure got 2 and Burton got 3, both while standing under cover behind the bus, and Eastwood got 3 standing on the bridge as they approached. (At that moment he was the only one not under some kind of cover during the chase). So it is not a stretch that they could take out 20 soldiers under those circumstances.

“also the amount of ammunition they carried was unbelievable”

To answer people who scoff at ‘unlimited firepower’, in the castle Eastwood fires a total of 8 burst on screen: 1 long burst, after which he is shown manipulating something (I assume reloading), 3 more bursts (some short some longer), a burst from 2 guns at once, followed by a final burst. That is 7 so far. Here a grenade is thrown at Eastwood’s feet and we can see 4 spent clips on the floor. Considering each burst is a half to a full clip (30 rounds I assume) he probably used 4 to 5 clips in that engagement. A final burst at soldiers on the stairs brings the total bursts to 8. 6 spare clips would have easily accounted for all shots at the castle. Remember, they entered the castle with 2 full backpacks of explosives, guns, and ammo.

Leaving the castle they took the 3rd backpack which would account for the ammo used in the bus chase. In the bus Eastwood is shown taking out at least 5 clips from the backpack during a lull in the shooting. He is also shown running out of ammo and reloading during the bus chase. So all ammo is easily accounted for and quite believable.

The OP claimed Eastwood barred a door with “convenient … couple of planks next to the door”

The ‘plank’ used to bar the door was made for the door! That’s what the clips in the door were for! The wood bar even shows wear from past use barring the door!

“when they need to bail the cabin there happens to be a small river right beneath them”

During most aerial shots of the cable car, a road and river are shown running most of the way underneath them. Why should that be odd? The part they jump into is deep because of a small damn (shown) regulating the flow of the river. The river is not frozen because depending on temperature and water flow rivers don’t always freeze. Or do you suggest they melted the entire river for that shot? Lol

“how did they know the germans were waiting for them”

It’s safe to assume they would realize the castle would call down to the town to get guards at the cable station. That’s a no-brainer.

“Schaffer carried enough dynamite to make hiroshima look like a fart.”

(fun fact: Little Boy, the Hiroshima bomb, was a 16 kiloton blast, or equal to 32 million pounds of explosives).

They use 12 dynamite bundles in the castle: 6 in the conference room, 1 in a records room, 1 in an ammunition room, 1 tossed out the window into a gun bunker, 1 in the room while hiding, and 1 for each cable car. That’s only 12. Mary Ure enters the conference room with a suitcase containing supplies from the two backpacks brought into the castle. Inside you can see 12 dynamite bundles visible.
Outside the castle only 8 bundles are shown being used: 1 to escape the shed, and 7 on the road linked to poles (7 poles are shown hit by the bus, 6 explosions are shown). All in all that is a total of 20 dynamite bundles. All accounted for and easily carried in the backpacks.

So for people who scoff about ammo, reloading, dynamite, and for those who use hyperboles in their posts, I suggest paying more attention the next time you watch the film. Is Where Eagles Dare perfect? Of course not. Few films are, but it’s entertaining, exciting, and well within the realm of believability.

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So for people who scoff about ammo, reloading, dynamite, and for those who use hyperboles in their posts, I suggest paying more attention the next time you watch the film. Is Where Eagles Dare perfect? Of course not. Few films are, but it’s entertaining, exciting, and well within the realm of believability.
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It's the kind of film where you sometimes have to suspend your disbelief and just enjoy it for what it is but the scene where Smith and Schafer are seen preparing to escape from the car after their arrest at Zum Wilden Hirsch and Schafer tells the guard next to him to rest easy because 'it's my shoelaces' always makes me smile.

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These types of threads really wind me up. IT'S A FILM...MAKE BELIEVE...IT ISN'T REAL!! Who cares how many magazines or dynamite they carried? I loved this film and it only took six weeks to write it...that's pretty impressive if you ask me.

Watch the film and just enjoy it, after all, that's what they made it for. Every film has mistakes in, in this film if they filmed it as it would really happen it would be boring and over and done with in an hour. And we all know that guns in films never need re-loading, so at least we got some reality in this film.

No-one seems to have picked up on the fact the water would have rendered them virtually unconscious because it was so cold. But hey, it's a film so anything goes and I don't care because if you look past that stuff, you'll enjoy films way more.

Not everyone will like this film, but don't dislike it because there are the normal Hollywood mistakes/over doing it malarky.

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The part I like is the people who are complaining about the film's accuracy are using "to," instead of "too"; and "clips" instead of "magazines."

(The only "clips" in the movie would have been stripper clips used to push 5 rounds in to the Mauser K98's- the longer rifles used by the Germans.)

Don't all y'all think you should be a little more accurate before you go criticizing the film?

..Joe

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You have to read the film based on the simplistic entertainment piece that it happens to be, based on its sub-genre. If you're looking for realism, you've come to the wrong place.

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and the Germans couldn't hit a barn door even if they were inside the barn!

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