The helicopter
Wasn't authentic surely? I know there were helicopters in WW2 but this one seemed like it was a little after that....anyone know?
shareWasn't authentic surely? I know there were helicopters in WW2 but this one seemed like it was a little after that....anyone know?
shareIt's a post war US made Bell 47G so it's definately wrong! The Germans did have a few helicopters during the war though, the Flettner and Focke-Achgelis IIRC.
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Wikipedia:
"the Bell 47 became the first helicopter certified for civilian use on 8 March 1946"
Even that's way earlier than I would have expected.
Can you imagine the difference to ww2 if Helicopters had been 10 or 15 years more advanced at the time?
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Some footage of German heli, including Hanna Reitsch flying one indoors at the Deutschland Halle in 1938 at the Berlin Motor Show!:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6SrUyNG4fYA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64fgG2CnHn0&list=UUlptI3Z6VHt0M9Fb9 dCz2gw&index=7&feature=plcp
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The helicopter we see in the movie didn't come about until after WWII. There were aero gyros which were a hybrid. A front propeller and a top propeller.
The movie It Happened One Night shows what they were like.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GNUsqOQ3T8
the two main helicopters during the war,the german fa 223 which entered service in 1941
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Focke_Achgelis_Fa_223
the the first conventional helicopter we all recognize,the american sikorsky r-4 which entered service in 1942
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_R-4
Cool paint job on the heli...the glass bubble was painted to look like panels in a German bomber...lol.
shareThe reality is that there likely would have been significantly greater use of proper helicopters by the Germans had the Allied bombing campaign against their industry not been so effective.
In fact the German helo that would have been put into full scale production had performance specs that far outstripped the American equivalents that were in development at the time.
Yet again another example of astoundingly advanced tech from the Third Reich.
Those pesky allies went and stepped on yet another of the fun loving German's sandcastles!
shareEven the helicopter shown in the movie couldn't have been used as shown - let alone a real WWII-era helicopter. It could have settled down INTO the castle courtyard, but it never would have flown out again. A helicopter of that low power can't rise very far straight up. It has to be out in the open, so that, as it begins to elevate off the ground, it creates a cushion of air, off which it "rolls" forward until its rotors can attain sufficient lift to allow it to gradually climb while moving forward.
shareAnd yet since they actually landed a physical helicopter in the courtyard, I assume they did, in fact, fly it out again after the movie wrapped. I assume there were enough open passageways to allow air into the courtyard to help generate lift for the rotors.
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Keep in mind that they were flying 1968-era engine technology, not necessarily original equipment. Also, for the shot, they were free to fly it stripped-down, not fully-loaded as it would have been in the real-life scenario. Plus, the viewer only saw half the scene; on the camera-side of the set, the "courtyard" might have been fully open, allowing for a normal take-off. And, there's always special effects, including cranes.
I flew in helicopters a hundred times or more in Vietnam (with late-'60s equipment), and we never once flew straight up more than a few yards, at most. They're just not designed nor equipped for that, let alone with a full load. It's not that I don't enjoy a little Hollywood magic as well as the next man; it's just not real life.
Not only that. My question is why did the writers even add the helicopter to the story in the first place? In addition to being an obvious fake (period-wise), what part did it play to advance the story line?
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Several reasons:
1. It gives General Rosemeyer a suitably big entrance. The only other way he could've arrived at the castle is by the cable cars, and that would've been a very underwhelming entrance for such a high-ranking officer. This also appears to have been the reason for its inclusion in the book, where Rosemeyer is no less than a reichsmarschall.
2. Rosemeyer's arrival in the helicopter provides an excuse to trot out the senior officers (Kramer and von Hapen in particular) so we can be quickly and efficiently introduced to them. Admittedly, this could've been accomplished without the copter; the top brass of the castle would've still turned out to meet the arriving general even if he had had come on the boring old cable car, but the "neato factor" of a helicopter in a WWII movie brightens up a very exposition-heavy scene.
5. Its presence in the castle gives the good guys another hurdle to overcome - prevent its being used to fly General Carnaby out. Hence, taking out the pilot. Without the scene of Schaffer stabbing him, they'd just proceed directly to the dining room.
4. The aforementioned "neato factor," which this movie thrives on. There's a lot in Where Eagles Dare that exists purely to be interesting/cool. The helicopter just happens to be one that serves a narrative purpose for the above reasons.
5. It happens to be in the book the movie is based on. So it wasn't something the producers made up for the movie. If you have an issue with the copter, blame author Alistair MacLean for writing it into his novel, and for choosing to keep it when it wrote the script.
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