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Which ending do you prefer?



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Which ending do you prefer? I prefer Hitchcock's first ending - duel scene between Andre and Jacques.

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I thought the duel ending was hilarious. Totally un-believable and jarring. It was rightly dropped.

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SPOILERS for all endings.

We should start, I think, with the fact that the duel ending is the one that Hitchcock started with. Looking at it, you can see that it was given far more care in the shooting than the other two.

I think the duel ending is absolutely, astoundingly awful. Here's why:

After a truly GREAT Hitchcock shot (the sweep up and down the chandeliers back down to him as Granville is told to leave the NATO meeting), Hitchcock cuts to Andre and his family as the camera whips from son-in-law (A duel!!??) to daughter (A duel!!??) to wife (A duel!!?) to Andre saying "Yes, a duel."

I may have gotten the order wrong, but here's the thing. Andre is given only a minute or two to explain to his family that (a) even though Granville has been exposed as a villainous Commie rat and can be arrested or deported, that (b) Granville is demanding a duel with Andre and that (c) Granville is a crack shot who will ALMOST CERTAINLY KILL ANDRE.

In short, Andre is telling his wife and daughter: "Hey, I exposed this villain, so I've got to let him shoot me to death. Nice knowing you."

Wha?

I have given Alfred Hitchcock a lifetime's worth of suspended disbelief -- crop duster murder weapons, birds that kill, Elster's murder plot -- but this was the only time that my jaw dropped. It literally made no sense. Andre's weak explanation: "His operatives will kill me eventually anyway if I don't do this and get him out into the open," is just plain out of it.

There follows the nicely shot duel sequence in a stadium (Hitchocck based the whole thing on a REAL photograph of a REAL recent duel -- but truth doesn't win out in fictin) and the necessary ending: a Soviet assassin kills Granville before he can kill Andre.

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Hitchcock was evidently in a panicked mental state when he approved this duel ending. The novel had no ending that I can remember. Samuel Taylor was stumped. The script was being written as the movie was being shot. The duel went in. Preview audiences (rightly) laughed it off the screen.

The airport finale made more sense to Hitchcock. He told an associate "In real life, the real traitors just go off to Russia." But this ending left a bitter taste. It doesn't really fit "the Hitchcock ending," (too glib, not happy OR tragic) and it has a terrible final line. Andre says, "Well, anyway, that's the end of Topaz." They coulda froze the frame and made it a Quinn Martin Production.

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The best ending is the suicide ending, dramatically. It makes sense, unlike the duel. It is satisfying, unlike the airport getaway.

Too bad it is pieced together with a shot of ANOTHER ACTOR (Phillipe Noiret) going through Granville's door earlier in the picture.

Hitchcock "sabotaged" this shot much as he sabotaged the end of "The Wrong Man" with that happy-distant footage of the "Ballestrero family" in Miami. You can feel the director telling you: "Yeah, this is the ending. No really, I care. I'm not joshin' you. Honestly, this is it."

If Hitchcock had CAREFULLY FILMED Granville's suicide with the usual Hitchcock touches, it would have been a good, if not great, Hitchocck ending.
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The bottom line is that "Topaz" is the only Hitchcock movie that really has no ending. With three endings in circulation on most DVDs; with cable TV using the airport ending; and given that I saw the suicide ending in a theater in 1969 -- the movie simply commits to nothing, and HASN'T committed to anything for almost 40 years now.

Which makes "Topaz" yet another amazingly unique, one-of-a-kind Hitchcock picture.

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One more thought: perhaps the ending is that great, great, great chandlier shot in which Granville gets the NATO heave-ho, and remember, the ending is REALLY: the montage of dead and tortured people as two guys read "Cuban Missile Crisis Over", throw the newspaper down and walk towards the Arch of Triumph. The fat guy looks rather like Hitch from behind!

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I just saw Topaz for the first time on TMC and really enjoyed the ending. Yes, it was an odd beat, but I'm a big fan of surprisingly odd endings, as long as a thought is completed, which is sort of what this ending is. Also there's a heavy note of sarcasm, no? It almost reminds me of a Fassbinder ending. There's something very strong in an abrupt end without fanfare. Anyway, Iook forward to seeing the other endings!

And I agree, Topaz is definitely an amazingly unique, one-of-a-kind Hitchcock picture! :)

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I liked the duel ending, because Andre feels like he has nothing to lose. He lost the woman he loved. We don't know much about the past relationship between Granville and Nicole. This leaves Andre's actions very mysterious.

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Maybe they should have just ended with the following: let the bad guy walk out of the meeting, after Forsythe said he didn't want him there, and then the camera should have stayed on the bad guy as he walked down the long corridors of power - looking more and more distraught - feeling that government colleagues passing by were staring at him like "I know what you did" - until he started walking faster, finally jogging, then running towards a massive window at the end of the corridor and jumping through it - committing suicide!

And it being Hitchcock the filmmaking genius probably would have found some way of allowing us - the viewer - to stay with the bad guy all the way through the glass, through the air, and into the asphalt - SPLAT!

THE END.

That would certainly be a far more awesome ending than just FREEZE ON DOOR, BAM.

Oh well.

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I like that ending. Nicely conceived and Hitchcockian. Well done.

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I'd go with the dueling sequence . . . that may have been the only way to salvage this film . . . the ending as is is passive . . . so unlike Hitchcock . . . unless one reads something else into the ending as is . . .

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I myself don't know, I have the DVD . . . maybe Youtube or something . . . I also want to see all the cut footage from this movie . . . where is it?

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Just finished seeing the film (for the nth time), and if i agree with some of the opinions expressed here, and with Mr. Hitch's frustration in his conversation with Truffaut, i must say that the end is the best one possible, and that the raccord between the doors closing (on the meeting, as Granville departs, and in his house, as he arrives), is nicely done, and usually disregarded, but i would prefer seeing Picolli walking home, entering his house, and then, just for a moment, reaching for a gun, and then the shot seen (or heard), from outside. But, alas, that was not possible, so the end is the best possible, nevertheless, i think.

This film is a good one, on the tradition of Forsyth and Le Carré thrillers, and it's au pair with another disregarded spy film, the amazing The Kremlin Letter.

"The Sky above the port was the color of television, tuned to a dead channel."

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Well, please remember that there is no evidence against Granville . . . he's completely innocent of any wrong-doing . . . as such, the suicide ending would be far-fetched, ridiculous . . . as his reputation has been sullied, only the duel-ending makes any sense, and is imaginative . . .

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