Hi everyone :) I just finished watching this wonderful film and i loved it! There are two things I'd like to ask though, they're both about the ending. First, what is the name of the song that plays in the end, over the credits? So beautiful!
Also, in the end something Miss Brodie said in the beginning is repeated: "Little girls, I am in the business of putting old heads on young shoulders, and all my pupils are the crème de la crème. Give me a girl at an impressionable age and she is mine for life". When she says this we see Sandy. What do you think is the importance of this?
Is it saying Sandy did what she did thanks to Miss Brodie's unconventional teaching methods, even if it did turn out badly for Miss Brodie? That it somehow gave Sandy a chance to think for her self. (On the other hand she did exactly what the Miss Mackay wanted so maybe not after all... or did Sandy do it out jealousy?)
Or does it mean Miss Brodie was wrong? That not all girls were "hers for life" even if they were at an impressionable age when they came to her... since Sandy turned against her I mean. That Sandy was "free" of Miss Brodie?
The third thing I can think of is that it shows the similarities between Sandy and Miss Brodie, both with a mind of their own. And both lonely, Sandy is walking down the street alone and Miss Brodie is... well, one of a kind too. In that school at least. (Am I reading too much in to that part?)
Can't really figure it out... maybe I'll have to give it a little more time to think about it, but it would be nice to hear what others have to say :)
The song is titled "Jean" written by American poet/composer Rob McKuen.
If you're of a certain age, you might remember the cover version done by Oliver (of "Good Morning Starshine" fame).
While the theme is used in the film, Oliver had a hit around 1970 or so with the sung ballad.
You bring up some interesting points about Sandy. I have never read the book upon which the play and movie are based, but in it, Sandy becomes a nun. Years after the fact, she writes a book and tells of her experiences with Ms. Brodie.
Here is my interpretation of Sandy/end of the film:
Sandy is very intelligent and perceptive. She starts out very much as one of Ms. Brodie's "special girls". Although not really given much emphasis, there is a passage of time in the film-- several years in fact.
As time goes by, Sandy matures and begins to see past the overly dramatic and overly romantic Ms. Brodie. She see's that Ms. Brodie is having an affair with Teddy, the married artist, and is also stringing along the milk toast music teacher.
Additionally, she has fascist sympathies, her romantic views blurring the brutality of the movement.
Worst of all, her influence over simple and impressionable Mary McGregor leads the young girl to go to Spain to fight in the conflict there. Tragically, this ends in the girls death.
As Sandy points out, Mary was simply a sop to Ms. Brodie's ego-- impressionable and eager to please. A blank canvas that Ms. Brodie felt she could paint on. Indeed, all her "special girls" were treated in much the same way.
As the film opens up, Ms. Brodie has a problem. Teddy, the married artist, has six children and no intention of leaving his wife. He and Ms. Brodie are having an affair and its beginning to be whispered about. Ms. Brodie senses danger, and decides to break it off.
But her ego won't simply let it go. She decides that she will hand pick her successor in Teddy's bed. Not only will this divert Teddy's attention, but she will have the satisfaction of playing "Providence" as Sandy calls it. Ordering and arranging peoples lives-- at least the people in her immediate orbit.
So what Ms. Brodie schemes to do is set up Jenny as her replacement. Essentially contributing to the delinquency of a minor.
Sandy observes all this and begins to see past the hero worship of Ms. Brodie. The final straw is when Mary dies. Sandy decides to put a stop to her.
Ms. Brodie is not truly evil. She does encourage her girls to appreciate art, music, culture and history. She is also manipulative, overly romantic, and a spinster (in that era) rapidly approaching middle age. She lives vicariously through her girls while controlling them. She repeatedly crosses the line from nurturing young minds as a teacher to abusing her position of trust.
Of course, Ms. Brodie does not see it like this-- in her mind she has sacrificed all to be with her girls and remain a teacher. Her's is a sacred calling, a special gift above and beyond the simple and provincial moralities of her lesser peers. In a very real sense, she is a drama queen who thrives on conflict, certain she can control all outcomes.
When Sandy finally puts this all together, she realizes that her teacher must be stopped. She goes to the head mistress and tells her the part Ms. Brodie had in sending Mary to Spain. This is what finally gives the head mistress the ammunition she needs to get Brodie fired.
As for Sandy: she does indeed belong to Ms. Brodie for life. She just can't shrug of years of influence at the drop of a hat. She understands the situation perfectly. While she knows that Brodie has many good qualities, she also knows her abuse of her position has led to the death of a simple hearted young girl and possibly scarred others.
So Sandy is conflicted. She felt she had to betray Brodie to stop her, but she didn't get any pleasure from it. In the schoolroom scene at the end, she stops, concerned for what will happen to Ms. Brodie.
At the very end you see the head mistress giving a speech to the girls who are graduating and going out in to the world. She talks about virtue. Sandy has betrayed her mentor and this cuts deep. We see her a little later walking a step behind her friends, crying.
I don't think this signifies that Sandy regrets what she has done, only that she is conflicted. I also think that it is meant to suggest that if Sandy does not watch her step, she herself might become like Ms. Brodie-- deciding to control and manipulate events based solely on her judgment.
Which is why I think in the book she becomes a nun-- to remove the temptation and avoid becoming a Ms. Brodie.
Which is why I think in the book she becomes a nun -- to remove the temptation and avoid becoming a Ms. Brodie.
That was a Catholic school? Sandy was a Catholic?
The whole movie Jean and even Sandy I think were taking snipes at Teddy Lloyd for being Catholic - "not thinking for himself" and how could an independent thinking girl like Sandy be attracted to him because of his "unfortunate affiliation with that church".
That's very weird.
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This is one of those details better explained in the book--the school was not Catholic, nor was Sandy--in fact, as I recall, her family were described in the novel as non religious. It was due to her relationship with Teddy that she became interested in his church, eventually converted, and still later became a nun. I would agree with what's been said elsewhere on this thread, that Sandy was conflicted about her own behaviour and motives toward the end of the film, and that she realizes that Miss Brodie's influence is not going to be cast off so easily.
Well, it's quite true in relation to the book, but I'm glad nothing in the least to the film. The character-Sandy in film quite different. She's very strong and well-aware in knowing her mind and hardly has, or will be having, the hestitations that she must stop Miss Brodie. And hardly would be as religious as Sandy-in-the-book, though obviously she has feelings and compassion towards ridiculous spinster in the end of the film. But such a teacher, such authoritarian and bright, but absolutely ignorant in essentials mustn't be teaching children, especially "of impressional age".
As a teacher she's really dangerous. In her book Spark insist I think that Miss Brodie know nothing about others, even her own set of girls - she's just living in her own world of imagination, where she might be happy to believe in bravity, greatness of spirit and chivalry of brownshirts - just because she hardly sees these qualities in reality. All men it seems to be so shallow and weak. She's dwelling or in her past, inventing stories about her great love and dead lover, or in the even more heroic future. And as to be capable to get happiness, she must be, and remain forever "woman in her prime". I think she has no need in religion - it can't provide her imagination in such men in blood and flesh.
But again, I'm glad the film nearly "forgot" the things connected with catholism. This her book isn't so rotten with insistent references to the religion as nearly all other her book are - I hardly had patience to read them. Quite unnessery and artificial attemps to show us religious... what? I never understand exactly, must confess.
This is an interesting thread. I took the ending to mean that Sandy was indeed conflicted, b/c she'd brought down the woman who had been her heroine. It's a bit like breaking off with someone you were once in love with, but over the course of the relationship, realized was a creep. After the breakup, you poingantly recall the magic they'd given you that's no longer in your life.
Don't know why that one poster said Sandy was crying at the end. She wasn't.
Thank you for your answers! Very interesting points ae36! Sorry it took me so long to get back to the boards, I've been away. The more I find out about the book the more I want to read it It seems to explain a lot, but I guess that's often the case :) To those of you who have read the novel as well: do think the film does it justice?
I liked the explanation above - but what I thought most of all was that Sandy WAS indeed a Brodie girl after all because without her training in independent thinking, bravery, and honesty from Miss Brodie, she never would have "told on" Miss Brodie, slept with the artist, etc... She was THE true Brodie girl of any of them - and certainly, dependable, to be so single minded that she gave Miss Brodie the taste of her own medicine! I loved them both...neither was evil - neither made great decisions about how to get along with the rest of the world. Just my 2 cents.
I saw the ending, with the give me an impressionable girl speech read while Sandy was walking, as an indication that the damage had been done, that Sandy was wounded by Miss Brodie and would have to live with this. She would go on, but never be able to completely heal. I think that is one of the reasons she felt she had to stop Miss Brodie, so other girls would not be pushed to take married lovers or go off to fight in wars and get killed on the way there. Miss Brodie's influence led her to have an affair with a married man, nevertheless the choice was Sandy's. The impressionable age speech is so scary as it is pure fascism, as Hitler also said something similar. Miss Brodie, while not entirely evil, was a manipulative, hystrionic, and narcistic fool who only thought of herself and never of her girls, only how they could make her feel important and needed.
Also, in the end something Miss Brodie said in the beginning is repeated: "Little girls, I am in the business of putting old heads on young shoulders, and all my pupils are the crème de la crème. Give me a girl at an impressionable age and she is mine for life". When she says this we see Sandy. What do you think is the importance of this?
She made a monster, and now Miss Brodie has had to come face to face with the harsh potential consequences of sending freethinking young spirits out into the world! It may be more rewarding to nurture individuality, but it's never something you can rely on in crucial times, because it's so unpredictable.
So, in a way, all of your interpretations could be read as correct because none of them contradict the other.
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"Made a monster" is really just a figure of speech... You could use the phrase: "the apprentice becomes the master!", instead...
Miss Brodie has triumphed with Sandy, she has indeed put an old head on Sandy's young shoulders! But Miss Brodie hadn't counted on Sandy being so wise that shes able to call HER out on HER Bull-ish, and see through HER facade.
Exactly what I meant originally.
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