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why did sandy have an affair with the art teacher?


why did sandy have an affair with the art teacher? did she want to be a substitute of Jenny? and if she was so liberal why did she decide to become a nun?

erika from panama

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I think Sandy got tired of Miss B talking about Jenny's looks. Miss B did not think of Sandy as sensual. Sandy could make Miss B look wrong, as well as getting back at her by becoming involved with her beau. Of course, Sandy got close to Teddy.

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Did I miss something? I just watched the movie like 10 minutes ago and didn't see at the end that Sandy was going to become a nun.

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Just constant confusing between the Spark's novel and this movie.

Sandy became a nun in the M.Spark's novel, but not in the film. We got no idea about Sandy's future in the film.

In fact the movie is after the play, which was in theatres quite for a while, and differ from the novel a great deal. Not only the plot, but in nearly everything. But still, though I 've read the novel first, I like both film and very much and can't tell which might put in first place. That's very rare case with movies for me.

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Thanks for explaining that, gorye.
I was starting to think I was tripping out.



Love is never having to say you're sober.

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Actually, I'm now beginning to think that Mr. Lloyd was the biggest bottom-feeder of them all. I will hand it to Sandy that when she ended it with him it was the end. She brushed off his invitation to dance and asked Monica to dance. Monica probably saw the exchange between them, and was extremely pleased with the compliment of being asked to dance by Sandy.

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"why did sandy have an affair with the art teacher? "

Because she knew that Brodie and the art teacher had a thing for each other - even though Brodie went with the more acceptable Mr. Lowther. Sandy also saw Brodie trying to manipulate Jenny into the teacher's bed and she wanted to show Brodie that she wasn't as all powerful as she supposed.

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I think Sandy's affair with Teddy was a way for her to prove to herself that she was a desirable person, in spite of Miss Brodie telling her otherwise. I also think her teen-age hormones had kicked in, judging by her wanton (for the era) behavior with Teddy; posing nude, casual sex, etc. She definitely had something to prove.

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Agreed. The turning point comes when Sandy visits Miss Brodie after Jenny has started posing for her portrait and all Miss Brodie does is wax eloquent about what a great lover Jenny will become even as a young girl. Sandy's response is essentially "what about me?" and Miss Brodie dismisses her by saying she'll be a great "spy."

That hurts Sandy who like most teenage girls wants to be thought of as desirable and attractive. You can see this when Sandy is looking at herself in mirror and clearly questioning her own appearance as Miss Brodie babbles on about the red-haired Jenny who undoubtedly reminds Miss Brodie more of herself as a girl (and thus highly desirable like Miss Brodie imagines herself to be) than the bespectacled brunette Sandy.

Sandy initiates an affair with Mr. Lloyd to prove to herself that she's attractive and to prove Miss Brodie wrong. And she does prove Miss Brodie wrong and with that Miss Brodie's "control" over Sandy is broken. To Sandy, she is no longer the all-knowing and all-seeing prognosticator of truth and beauty, and, as time goes by, Sandy starts to see her more and more as a "ridiculous woman" who is dangerous to children.

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My thoughts exactly.

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Sandy was a cold, little vixen. Nothing endearing about her.

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Sandy initiates an affair with Mr. Lloyd to prove to herself that she's attractive and to prove Miss Brodie wrong. And she does prove Miss Brodie wrong and with that Miss Brodie's "control" over Sandy is broken.


Well, no, not quite. Sandy's decision to drop Lloyd comes when she discovers she's had no effect on him at all: He's painted her as Jean Brodie. It's not even Sandy's skin. Now she knows how pathetic Lloyd is. But it takes the pointless death of Mary to completely open her eyes about Jean Brodie.

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This brings up another question. What if Miss Brodie had answered the door? Sandy was still devoted enough to run to Brodie when Mary died. If they’d had an emotionally satisfying conversation, would Sandy have stayed loyal?

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As several others have pointed out, it was the beginning of Sandy's inevitable breakup in her relationship with Miss Brodie. At first, the girls chosen to be in the Brodie group were made to feel they were "special", but in truth she manipulated and forced them into particular types of personalities so that she was able to live vicariously the lives of these much younger girls. Mary, the dimmest and thus the most malleable, went off to fight and die for a fascist regime that Brodie admired. Jenny, thought to be prettiest, was chosen by Brodie to be Mr. Lloyd's subject for painting and eventually his lover, in order to fulfill her own love fantasies with Lloyd that was not possible in real life as he was a married man. As for Sandy, Brodie thought she was boring and unattractive, not fit to be painted, but completely loyal and thus fit to be a spy!

But Sandy was the most intelligent of the group, and while what she did was perhaps partly motivated by jealousy, what happened was basically the story of her growing up: she was no longer content with being arbitrarily assigned certain roles without question. She wanted to show herself and Miss Brodie that she was not only fit to be painted (and even pose in the nude), but could even take over Jenny's place as Mr. Lloyd's lover. She was truly offended when she found out that he was painting her to make her look like Miss Brodie, and broke up with him. I am afraid that experience might have scarred her for life. Sandy was old enough to question what Miss Brodie did and know the harms she was causing, but she was not yet mature enough to act wisely herself. I hope the film would show more on what happened to the other girls - like Jenny and Monica. For example, was Jenny aware that she was in a way pimped out to be the lover of a married man, and how did she feel? Monica was not much of a character other than one of Sandy's companions. I would like to see more about what happened to the other Brodie girls and how they felt.

As for the OP's question why Sandy eventually became a nun, I think all the characters - including Miss Brodie - had their own internal conflicts and inconsistencies. Miss Brodie on the surface looked upon herself as the champion of freethinking, questioning traditional teaching and values of society to the displeasure of Miss Mackay and the school board. At the same time, she was attracted to fascist totalitarian regimes. Even for her students she not only forced upon them her own political beliefs but wanted to control and manipulate every aspect of their lives, and all the while she expected complete obedience and no answer from them than "yes, Miss Brodie". It is therefore a little ironical that Sandy, the only girl intelligent enough to see through Miss Brodie and rebel against her, somehow chose to become a nun - which more than anything else required complete and unquestioning obedience to authority. What I liked about the book and the film is that the characters are multilayered, with their own internal conflicts and contradictions, and that made them especially interesting.

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Maybe they just fancied each other.

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I can't imagine that Sandy ever took her final vows! Swearing to become a monk, priest, or nun was what Catholic kids did in those days when they had problems with the real world, and the church was well aware that dramatic teens didn't stick around.

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