How did Hoffman not win the oscar?
I mean, Jon Voight was good too. But Hoffmans performance was a masterpiece.
shareI think John Wayne won as much as a recognition for his body of work as for his performance in True Grit. I remember at the time I was surprised that Hoffman didn't win because I was blown away by his performance...especially the change from the graduate. I've always been Wayne fan but I wish he could have gotten the award in another year.
sharewas there possibly another deserving winner aside from Hoffman/Voight among he noms? Or perhaps because both leads shared screen time, with no one lead.
True Grit: John Wayne
NOMINEES
Anne of the Thousand Days: Richard Burton
Midnight Cowboy: Dustin Hoffman
Goodbye, Mr. Chips: Peter O'Toole
Midnight Cowboy: Jon Voight
I have never seen Goodbye Mr Chips so I don't have an opinion there. I saw Anne of a Thousand Days first run and really thought Richard Burton was impressive (as always). I went to see True Grit while it was first run but didn't really see it because I was at a drive in with a date and we got preoccupied. Going into the Oscars I was rooting for Hoffman because, as I said above, I was really blown away by his performance. A few years later I saw True Grit on TV and I really liked it and could see why Wayne would get the award. However my vote would still be with Hoffman for his performance. I would have preferred they give Wayne a lifetime achievement award.
shareDo you think it has something do with 2 male leads sharing the same film. If anything, Hoffman has less scree time than Voight, it seems. In Oscar history, has an Oscar even gone to one of 2 nominated leads of the same gender?
share...has an Oscar even gone to one of 2 nominated leads of the same gender?
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I can only recall NETWORK-76' at the moment. Peter Finch won a posthumous actor, over William Holden. Finch's character, appeared more like a support to Holden.
Shirley MacLaine over Debra Winger, TERMS OF ENDEARMENT-83', as well.
Well all four of the other nominees gave better performances than Wayne, but Wayne won it on sentiment. I would have voted for Hoffman myself but think about this: Burton and O'Toole, two of the greatest actors in the history of film, died without winning an Oscar while John Wayne did win one. Could the situation be more ridiculous?
shareMuch of that is timing. If every film was released in a different year,,we'd have a new set of winners. With Hoffman, he had the problem if being a co-lead; thats a tough one.
shareCould the situation be more ridiculous?
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Can your comments be more ridiculous, or lets just say because you aren't a fan of Wayne, that then means he then 'wasn't' deserving? Wayne may not have made the best quality of films; but was still a very good actor. Just because Burton and O'Toole are Shakespearean type actors and come over as pompous and pretentious English gentlemen, doesn't mean they are more deserving. Can they do what Wayne does, or vice versa? It is all subjective—not a fan of Burton, so I don't care he didn't win—and this particular year, all leads may have been considered worthy.
Why are my comments more ridiculous? As an "actor" Wayne was pretty wooden.
Do you really think that Wayne was a better actor than Peter O'Toole or Richard Burton? Because almost no one else does. I was lucky enough to see Burton perform on Broadway. He was mesmerizing.
Why are my comments more ridiculous? As an "actor" Wayne was pretty wooden.
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You are the one that made the comment it was ridiculous for Wayne to win an Oscar, I just threw it back at you. Within his own persona and acting skills and the films that he made, Wayne–and I am not a huge fan of his, same as Burton or O'Toole—made a huge impact on the film industry\box office and the public. Just because he wasn't a theatrical and pompous sounding English gentleman who did Shakespeare, doesn't mean he was any less talented, charismatic or capable or giving a decent and entertaining performance. He certainly gave one in TRUE GRIT and he got acknowledged with an Oscar. Good for him!
Do you really think that Wayne was a better actor than Peter O'Toole or Richard Burton? Because almost no one else does.
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Could O'Toole and Burton do what Wayne did well? Burton did some action films and they both starred in THE LONGEST DAY-62'—which I haven't seen—but they could both be considered as having a commanding presence and it would all depend on the script and direction. Wayne was a different actor and to say Burton & O'Toole were better is subjective and it would depend on the material and presentation. And who is "almost no-one else"? That is assumptive and you really can't speak for others, who knew about these actors. It would depend on personal taste.
I was lucky enough to see Burton perform on Broadway. He was mesmerizing.
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I am certain he was and if you had seen Wayne on Broadway, would he have been mesmerizing too? Don't underestimate his talent.
Well I am going to go out on a limb here but I do think that Wayne on Broadway would have been abit less more mesmerizing than Richard Burton.
To end this, because I do want to end this, I live in New York and have had the opportunity to speak to many acting hopefuls. Some of them study the performances of Hoffman and Burton as part or their education. NONE of them studies the performances of John Wayne.
A question, have people become more stupid? Wayne was a huge star even when I was growing up. But even then, as people flocked to his films, not even his biggest fans would have said he was a great actor or even an actor at all. Back then, when his popularity was at his highest, it was a commonly held belief/opinion that he was not much of an actor.
To end this, because I do want to end this, I live in New York and have had the opportunity to speak to many acting hopefuls. Some of them study the performances of Hoffman and Burton as part or their education. NONE of them studies the performances of John Wayne.
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Why do you want to end this? This is an open forum and it is not for you to say that something ends. Everything is not all about what you want. Is this what you have been used to in your life, getting your own way? I also couldn't care less about acting hopefuls, who study method actors who think that their craft of acting, is something more special and self-important than what it really is. Egos reign supreme and Burton and Hoffman had\have huge ones. Is this what is being studied, the ego?
I have only seen a handful of Burton and Wayne films and while I have enjoyed some of them and most acting enthusiasts would give Burton the edge as a Thespian, It doesn't deter from the fact, that Wayne still gave a decent and award worthy performance in TRUE GRIT. He was also less pretentious than Burton, whom Montgomery Clift, didn't regard very highly as an actor either.
I've come to appreciate Wayne's performance more each year especially after the remake which was a good movie in its own right. JW caught the right balance between humor and pathos, civility and harshness. Hoffman was fine as well but bordered on "look at me I'm acting."
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