I just watched the movie and all of the extra features, and on the Katharine Ross interview, she said she shot one scene that pissed a bunch of people off and ended up getting her banned from the set (except when she had a scene, of course).
I don't understand what the big deal was.
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I got all that, I guess when she was telling the story I expected it to end with "so I never did that again". So when she said that Hill had banned her from the set permanantly, I thought I missed something. It didn't strike me as a big deal. If George Hill had a problem with it, he should have at least given her a warning.
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Yeah. Guess you're right. The guy wanted to do his job ..... and not have loose ends to bother with or worry about..... and who knows what she said to him....
Guess it was his fault. He just had to be a dick. lol.
Katherine Ross was also in "The Final Countdown". The extra features said that Katherine Ross was extremely rude to the genuine Navy fighter pilots who worked on the film, so she was no diplomat herself.
shareShe was helping and learning on a day the 2nd unit director was shorthanded.
None of the attack pilots I know who flew on the film had any complaints about her behavior. She was polite enough to them. That's what they expected. But attack pilots are different. They're not in love with themselves.
Then again, most of the fighter pilot's I knew.were asshats. If a woman didn't fall at their feet and worship them, something was.wrong with her. Katharine Ross wasn't impressed with their line. I never thought much of their BS, either. Jerks. I married an attack pilot.
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Here's something else from the trivia section:
"Katharine Ross enjoyed shooting the silent, bicycle riding sequence best, because it was handled by the film crew's second unit rather than the director. She said, 'Any day away from George Roy Hill was a good one.'"
"Dry your eyes baby, it's out of character."
Interesting. What was the deal with those two, I wonder? Anybody know what beef there was between Katherine Ross and George Roy Hill?
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You have to remember, this was near the end of the dying "studio system" that had been in place for decades, with unions in place and older men (almost invariably ONLY men) fearing the younger generation and anybody hassling their way of doing things.
There was one old DP, Russell Metty, who worked both on "Spartacus" and the TV show "Columbo," and he famously gave young director Kubrick crap on "Spartacus" and young director Spielberg crap on "Columbo" ( refusing to set up the shots like they wanted, or kicking the light stand across the floor at Spielberg.)
These were hidebound old men, scared of losing their jobs, and a lot of them did when the 70's came.
Katherine Ross also said that the stunt men riding the horses were angry she was on the camera, too. Lots of those old-time stunt men were macho and MEAN.
And George Roy Hill was somewhat of a tough-guy director, so you figure:
Hill saw Katherine Ross "undercutting" all his camera operators and his stunt men, and his own directorial authority (those guys get mad if an actor even yells "cut") and figured...he had to throw Ross off the movie except for her scenes.
Hollywood was very macho then, and it still has its macho men now.
P.S. I assume the cinematographyer, Conrad Hall, felt bad after all this. He let Ross do it. btw, Ross was very authoritative about camera technicals in her interview.
it also helped that Conrad Hall and Ross were going out at the time...
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shareRoss described the moment after as a kind of a joke, her helping out a short-handed crew with Conrad Hall's willing concurance, not thinking it might rub some of the professional technicians on set in the wrong manner. George Roy Hill's reaction was strong and immediate, and he didn't let it go thereafter. Even a year later, when he was describing the film in a VO for a documentary that was shown at Yale, his alma mater, he talks about his pleasure working with the cast "except for Katharine Ross, whom I never developed a rapport with". Or words to that effect.
This is all from the great DVD, which also seems to suggest that Ross's footage made it into the finished film.
"Going out at the time, ****? They were living together.
shareIf I was a director I would get awfully bull-bleep- if one of the actors/actresses in my movie had terrible moxy enough to shoot a scene! I wouldn't have to be macho either to get mad. The actors and actresses are just hired to act not direct as well! Case closed!
shareShe was only helping her boyfriend with his consent. I have never had much time for either unions or demarcation.
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Ive read in a few books/interviews that Katharine Ross was a bit of a drama queen , and could be VERY difficult to work with
.... in a lot of films
A Hollywood Actress a bit of a D!!ck ???? Never ! lol
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According to J.P. Donleavy's "A History of The Ginger Man", George Roy Hill was good friends with the author, as well as their mutual comrade Gainor Crist, who frequently sought financial and moral support (and got it) from the director.
Crist and Donleavy are the stuff of legend as far as I'm concerned, so that's a golden character reference in my book.
Ive read in a few books/interviews that Katharine Ross was a bit of a drama queen , and could be VERY difficult to work with
.... in a lot of films
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Between The Graduate and Butch Cassidy, Ross had to work on contract on "Hellfighters" a rare "modern day" John Wayne movie about firefighters. Ross romanced Jim Hutton and John Wayne was romanced by Vera Miles.
Vera Miles and Katherine Ross went out to promote the film.
Ross said "This movie is the biggest piece of crap I've ever been in."
Miles noted, "Oh, dear, I've been in a LOT bigger pieces of crap than THIS movie."
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