pilot andy's family....


firstly sorry if its been asked before but cant find it...

so did they or didnt they get killed? were they in the rest centre? was never quite sure!

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Yes, they were killed. He'd left them in the rest centre to help dig out bombing victims and came back later to find it totally destroyed.

"Oh dear. How sad. Never mind!"

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It was very underplayed and brushed past, I thought?

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It always seems to me that scenes must have been cut or it was just poorly directed. There is all this lead-in showing his wife and kids, then you see him as he witnesses the burning, but you never see anything to do with his reaction or family after that. It's as if all the emotion had been cut out of it.





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I just finished watching the film for the first time and I too was baffled by SGT Andy's reaction to the obvious death of his wife and two young sons. As a father, I would have collapsed in grief. When he and his squadron leader leave the cottage the next morning, I was sure he was preparing to kill a lot of Germans that day, possibly by ramming one of the bombers Kamakaze style. He doesn't do this at all. And later, when they're waiting for the Germans to attack again, he's just sitting there, smoking a ciggie like it's no big deal! Poorly written, poorly acted or both. All in all, a great film. Any fan of Star Wars will see where George Lucas got many of his ideas from.

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I agree!
I just watched the film yesterday, and it struck me as odd that at seeing the raid shelter after being bombed to pieces, Ian Macshane doesn't look much shocked, and then the next time we see him he is leaving the cottage with Robert Shaw in the early morning. Both scenes look so unconnected in terms of emotional story continuity that I thought some scenes had been cut from the film, even though my copy is a DVD. But know I see it is not only me who noticed that plot inconsistency. Thank you.
And I too think this is a great film.

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yes they were killed and I agree with posters that editing must have cut some transition scenes..british stoicism would explain mcshanes stiff upper lip..by the way,can you believe it,mcshane was only 25/26 when hey filmed this..his persona seems 10 years older..

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The worst part of the movie.

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Lots of pilots and soldiers lost their families.
You just grieved and got on with your job.
No alternative.

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british stoicism would explain mcshanes stiff upper lip.

This phrase has come to be seen as being quintessentially British, but in all likelihood it is originally an American saying.

From wikipedia:

Despite strong association with the UK, there are indications that the phrase originated in America. One of the earliest known references to the phrase was in the Massachusetts Spy, June 1815: "I kept a stiff upper lip, and bought [a] license to sell my goods." There are several more US references from early 19th century found, and by mid-century it became quite common, while the earliest British reference reported is from 1844.


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