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Julie Ann was a big-time tease


all that talk about being in love with him in the past and then running with him and holding his hand and allowing him to touch her soft young belly and then when he wants to get closer and kiss she runs off

classic CT!!!

the Swimmer had a real bad case of BB for the rest of his journey and that's probably what really did him in

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Julie Ann had a childish crush on him when she was his kids' babysitter, she was never in love with him. It was arrogant of Ned to think she actually still had that crush on him when he's probably the age of her father. I do agree though that she led him on which was stupid and immature on her part. I think she was enjoying being able to get an 'old' guy all hot and bothered. Don't know about the BBs but it did a number on his self esteem and set the mood for all the other disappointments that came along as he continued his journey

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A great twist for the movie, given the way it ended anyway, would have been a horrific rape scene, ending with him strangling her, or pummeling her death with his fists, then finishing his journey home, with no more mention of the incident.

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No it wouldn't. You could you be so inept at understanding characters? That is not something he would do. That's not part of his "problem." It would be a really stupid ending.

"We played with life and lost." - Jules et Jim, François Truffaut.

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Julie Ann had a childish crush on him when she was his kids' babysitter, she was never in love with him.


Define "crush." Is there a difference between romantic love and a crush? I don't believe there is, unless somebody can clearly define to me what they mean by "crush" and who can or can't have a "crush," and why.

It was arrogant of Ned to think she actually still had that crush on him when he's probably the age of her father.


I'm getting tired of hearing that old line "old enough to be X's father." Does anybody ever think about what that really means before they repeat that tired old phrase? How old is "old enough to be a father"? Maybe 13? Is that supposed to mean that any male 13 years older than the female is automatically disqualified as being a suitable lover? I think not, especially when couples are in their 30s-40s, and considering the often large age differences of people who marry. That phrase is ridiculous and extremely presumptuous, in my opinion. It doesn't have anything to do with people's attractions in real life, either young or old.

I agree that Ned is a bold, arrogant character who shouldn't have been so aggressive in that situation, especially since Julie's feelings had obviously passed, but your comments about love are a different issue that don't necessarily relate to the depicted situation.

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Crush or infatuation 1: foolish and usually extravagant passion or love or admiration 2: temporary love of an adolescent [syn: puppy love, calf love, crush] 3: an object of extravagant short-lived passion

Love
A deep, tender, ineffable feeling of affection and solicitude toward a person, such as that arising from kinship, recognition of attractive qualities, or a sense of underlying oneness.


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Synonyms: love, affection, devotion, fondness, infatuation
These nouns denote feelings of warm personal attachment or strong attraction to another person. Love is the most intense: marrying for love. Affection is a less ardent and more unvarying feeling of tender regard: parental affection. Devotion is earnest, affectionate dedication and implies selflessness: teachers admired for their devotion to children. Fondness is strong liking or affection: a fondness for small animals.
Infatuation is foolish or extravagant attraction, often of short duration: lovers blinded to their differences by their mutual infatuation.

Julie didn't love or desire Ned she had a childish crush-infatuation for him when she was his children's babysitter and it was delusional of Ned to think that years later it had been anything other than that. "but your comments about love are a different issue that don't necessarily relate to the depicted situation." How do they not relate, the whole scene is to show how Ned has lost touch with reality and is living not in the real world but a world of his own creation. Ned has confused childish infatuation for a lasting desire from a young woman who hasn't seen him since she was a young teen.

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That's not quite the type of answer I was looking for. I was looking for a more technical answer, based on some of the scientific theories of love. For example, one such theory is Robert Sternberg's triangular theory...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangular_theory_of_love

...but there are other classifications as well.

The definitions you gave are based on attributes of length of duration and excessiveness, but such attributes don't define the basic type of love that is involved. For example, using the triangular theory, Julie Ann seems to feel both intimacy (as in friendship) and passion (as in physical attraction), which then places her type of love in the category of "romantic love," which is essentially no different than the love felt by an older woman. All that is why I tend to believe the word "crush" isn't a valuable concept, that it is mostly used only as a discriminatory term to disparage the feelings of younger people, and that it could theoretically apply to any age group.

As related to the film, this theory suggests the only difference between Julie Ann's feelings of "romantic love" and full-fledged "consummate love" is what Sternberg calls "commitment," which is basically faithful marriage, but Ned seems incapable of commitment to anyone, even his wife. But Julie Ann's admiration seems to be on a par with Shirley Abbott's admiration. Both of those females moved on to other males only when each of their relationships with Ned was not consummated with commitment, in Julie Ann's case because Ned didn't know about her affection, and in Shirley's case because their affairs presumably became too inconvenient for Ned.

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You actually don't know the difference between a crush and real love? While in college, a crush felt exactly like it did in sixth grade. I wanted to only hear positive things about him, ignored negative (even if I observed it first hand), wanted to be near him, but scared to death he'd actually speak to me. I probably didn't realize it in sixth grade, but by the time I was 16 I knew that I didn't ever want a crush to ask me out because I knew he would never live up to the 'fantasy'.

Love? Could spend all night just talking and couldn't imagine life with out him. Yes, I've been in love more than once, but each time was more mature than the previous - and sometimes I just convinced myself I was in love because I wanted to be. The ones I was really in love with, I am still in touch with, but we've gone on with our lives and realized that sixteen year old love or 21 year old love is not mature, life long love (hence why we eventually parted).

My husband and I were friends for a couple of years before we even thought of dating. That was over 25 years ago. We are partners in life and share a life and realistic plans and dreams. We are literally willing to give of ourselves for each other - to put our own needs behind the other's if that is what makes sense at the moment.

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What is BB?

Bad Breath?

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Blue balls.

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This'll sound creepy as heck, but I kinda feel like Ned still might've had a chance with Julie Ann. He blew it by coming on too strong with his overly needy "guardian angel" pitch.

While Julie Ann had clearly gotten over her childish crush (and gotten rid of his stolen shirt), she still went off cavorting with him. There was very little hesitation and no hint of guile - she seemed genuinely happy and excited to be with him. She didn't seem to be teasing him so much as living out her own longtime fantasy of "running off with Mr. Merrill."

I think she fled because he came on too strong and too transparently

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I can't say for sure that this is what screenwriter Eleanor Perry had in mind; but interpreting the interactions between Ned and Julie as if they were real-life events, I'd say that Julie was sending Ned reasonably clear signals that she wanted him to initiate sex with her right then and there, the two clearest signals being her reclining on the ground for a substantial amount of time, and her turning the conversation to sexual matters (the stories of the exhibitionist man in the apartment window and the stranger who kissed her in the elevator). When Ned didn't respond promptly and directly to those signals, she in turn--in the classic female behavior pattern--lost interest in having sex with him, and lost a substantial amount of respect for his masculinity. Ned made it even worse with his somewhat pathetic schoolboy-like proposal to accompany her at all times outside her home and her office (a proposal that also drew attention to his unemployed status), and with his slightly silly speech about "protecting" her in some unspecified way.

Part of this would've been, I think, a generational misconnect. Ned obviously had some experience in seducing women, but his ways of doing it were ways that mostly belonged to the thirties, forties, and fifties, which would've worked fine on women closer to his own age but which would've made a poor impression on a twenty-year-old in 1967 (which is the year when the film presumably takes place, judging by the January 1967 date on the magazine that the character Shirley is reading by her pool near the end of the film). Julie is very likely in tune with the sixties Sexual Revolution, a phenomenon that Ned seems to have not quite caught up with; and she may well be on the Pill, so that nothing much is standing in the way of her and Ned's immediate sexual congress even though they obviously have no condoms with them, nothing in fact but the swimsuits they're wearing.

I'm not saying that a sexual initiative by Ned would've had a 100% chance of success. And I'm certainly not suggesting that he should've forced himself on Julie in any way. All I'm saying is that he should've taken the initiative, and accepted whatever result ensued.

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I love how the OP said classic CT, as if CT is the only place where you can find cockteases. Still, I've known a few CT girls, and yes, they seem a lot like Julie. Real flirty and close one minute, then when they suspect you wanna get close, saying "I have a boyfriend; he's making killer money" and exaggerating how great he is, and then abruptly cutting it off. LOL. That's everywhere, but I can understand how CT seems to be a haven for chicks with that type of behavior. New Hampshire isn't much better.

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I dont think the OP was stating she was from the state of Conn., but rather just abbreviating the nasty four letter word.

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T think CT was cock teaser.

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I half suspect that most of you may have missed the meaning of this part of the movie entirely. Ned fixated on Julie from the moment he ran into her and helped her out of the pool. As they ran and frolicked and mingled at other pools together he made mention of his daughters from time to time. While she did appear very flirty with him and he did come on rather strongly at the scene shortly before parting ways, I got the distinct feeling that Ned's overbearing demeanor came not so much from wanting to "hook up with Julie" but in that he wanted to take care of her, never let anything or anyone hurt her.... as if in his delusional state that day he was actually talking about his daughters.

It's quite possible that in reality Ned failed his daughters in some major way, and his remorse about that failure was what delusional Ned was actually fixated on when he scared off his lovely former babysitter, someone he truly did care about. Remember, he had no idea at all that she had a crush on him, it came as a huge surprise, which suggests that maybe his feelings towards her stemming from back then were more fatherly than suitorly.

Just a thought.

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It's quite possible that in reality Ned failed his daughters in some major way...
He may well have and I think the movie alludes to this.

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That's from a man's point of view. He asked HER to go on the pool romp. She, being young and innocent, did. That's all it was to her. Nothing more. She was in love with a boy her own age. He is a father figure, even though she had a crush on him years before.

She'd known him for years. It was when he touched her belly that things changed for her, and you can tell from her expression. She stopped smiling. In short order she got the hell outta there.

She wasn't teasing at all. Plus, a man that age should know better. It's always up to the mature one to keep check on the situation.

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