Unintentional tie-in


First off, many of the guns used in "The Scalphunters" were period. Both of Joe Bass' rifles were period. His black-powder, percussion revolving rifle and his Henry lever-action rifle, invented in 1860, were period guns. Thier pistols, admitedly, are not. They are Remington 1875 Frontier .44 revolvers. Hollywood used them liberally in the 50's and 60's pre-Civil War westerns because of thier resemblance to the Remington 1858 Army .44 revolver. In those days, Hollywood did not wish to utilize black-powder revolvers as they were a hassle to load and fire and they did not have many converted Army or Navy revolvers in thier stocks. "The Outlaw Josey Wales" uses converted pistols big-time, despite thier anachronistic appearence. Also "The Good, The Bad and The Ugly."
But I digress. I have always thought that this film unintentionally ties in with the film "Man In The Wilderness" which was made three years later. Without going into the precise plot for that film, the main character was a trapper named Zachary Bass. The film takes place in 1820. Bass was an ex-whaler. He and Capt. Henry have a history that goes back to when Bass snuck aboard Henry's whaler in Boston Harbour when Bass was a boy. Zach Bass was a widower with a toddler son. In flashbacks, the boy is seen in a coastal setting at low-tide. This is probalby Massachusetts, although it is not specified. Zach's mother-in-law is Irish and there was a growing Irish population in the Boston area that would explode with the Potato Famine of the 1840's. The Prologe of "Man In The Wilderness" states that the Henry Expedition had been going on for two years by 1820, so that by 1820,the child must be about four-to-five years old; being born between 1815 to 1816.
I believe this child is Joe Bass.
Flash forward to "The Scalphunters". Although it is generally believed the film takes place in 1860, for Joe Bass to have a Henry rifle(first distributed in 1860), it would have to be about Spring, 1862(he spent a winter trapping, remember) It is mentioned that slavery is still in exsistence, although the War is not mentioned.
Joe Bass describes himself having "Massachusetts wit", which would indicate that is where he was raised. The fact that he is a trapper would indicate that, true to his promise to Capt. Henry at the end of "Man In THe Wilderness", Zachary Bass found his son and taught him the ways of the trapper. And the fact that in 1862, Joe Bass would be about 45 to 46-years-old, would make it seem to fit.(although Lancaster was in his fifties by 1968)
And the fact that I have spent the last 45 minutes posing this theory would indicate that I have absolutly no life. Discuss.

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I'm gonna bust you in the jaw for that, Julius Ceasar!

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The revolving rifle was a nice touch in the movie.

I wonder what brand and model it was?

When you mentioned the movie THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY, I was reminded of the scene where Eli Wallach (The Ugly) went into the gun shop and put a pistol together from all the various pistols for sale. He then robbed the gun dealer with that same gun.

UPDATE:

I did a little research. Seems those black powder revolving rifles were dangerous.

http://ingunowners.com/forums/general_firearms_discussion/47400-does_a nyone_know.html

http://images.google.com/images?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rl z=1T4GGHP_enUS366US367&q=REVOLVER-RIFLE&biw=1251&bih=585

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I believe that was a Colt Model 1855 Revolving Rifle. Could be wrong.

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Two of the rifles that the bushwackers tried to use when flushing Joe Bass out in a flanking movement were Spencer Carbines. They didn't hit the civilian market until after the Civil War.

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