What is it REALLY That Bad?


I never fail to cringe inwardly with terror and anxiety whenever I watch Witchfinder General. And the same question always flashes through my mind; God, was it REALLY that bad in those days? Was Hopkins REALLY as ruthless and merciless as he was in that film? If so, well, all I can say is those country vilagers in East Anglia must have been living on their nerves, and jumped out of their skins each time there was an unexpected knock on the door!

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Google "witch trials" and see what comes up. It was worse than portrayed in the film, and mostly defenceless and harmless women.

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webfix - up until Puritan times, many people in England, while having abandoned the old Celtic gods, still kept many ancient traditions, one of them being wise women or men. These people would be the centre of village lore and had expertise with healing through herblore. Witch hunts were invented to kill these people to make everyone rely solely on the church.

The sad thing about it was that the witch trials were designed to dispose of the accused person whether they were supposed witches or innocent and was a way of villages removing non-conformists and unpopular people in a completely legal way. One of the most famous "tests" was drowning - if the accused drowned, she was innocent, if she was a witch, she floated - a test designed to kill anyone who it was practised on.

The witch hunts were extremely effective in doing what they were intended, which was removing any last vestiges of Celtic influence. A well-known compiler of Celtic childrens' stories and tales a hundred years ago spent years combing through isolated areas - Wales, western Ireland, the Orkneys, and Cornwall, because there were barely any traditional tales in England. The only ones that survive now were recorded in the 1500s, before the times of the Puritans.

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they get a bad name those Puritans...

I'd disagree that there where any 'Pagan survivals' that the Which Trials disposed of (if you'll pardon my grim humour) or that they really 'came from above.' What seems to stand out in many incidences is the 'middle management' aspect of the whole thing: it was local courts not larger ones that condemned people (indeed it was the larger courts and the changing role of Lawyers and the Judiciary that brought an end to the whole sorry affair) and, even more shockingly, how involved individual communities where in condemning others. Perhaps more prevalent than an attack on non-conformists was the need to vent frustration and/ or find an individual on which to lay the blame for failing crops and a failing society. Years and years of war and political unrest filter down even to the poor.

Anyway to answer the original poster's question: yes it was that bad. I'd like to think we've moved on but sometimes I wonder


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"webfix - up until Puritan times, many people in England, while having abandoned the old Celtic gods, still kept many ancient traditions, one of them being wise women or men. These people would be the centre of village lore and had expertise with healing through herblore. Witch hunts were invented to kill these people to make everyone rely solely on the church.

The sad thing about it was that the witch trials were designed to dispose of the accused person whether they were supposed witches or innocent and was a way of villages removing non-conformists and unpopular people in a completely legal way. One of the most famous "tests" was drowning - if the accused drowned, she was innocent, if she was a witch, she floated - a test designed to kill anyone who it was practised on.

The witch hunts were extremely effective in doing what they were intended, which was removing any last vestiges of Celtic influence. A well-known compiler of Celtic childrens' stories and tales a hundred years ago spent years combing through isolated areas - Wales, western Ireland, the Orkneys, and Cornwall, because there were barely any traditional tales in England. The only ones that survive now were recorded in the 1500s, before the times of the Puritans." - tom-1712

Except before Christianity the English weren't Celtic Heathens but Germanic Heathens and most Orcadians are descended from Norsemen who were again Germanic Heathens, specifically Norse, before becoming Christians.

"Cunning folk" ("wise men" and "wise women") are predominately from England (though also in the Celtic regions of Wales and Cornwall) and Sweden (where a "wise woman" is a "klok gumma") hardly Celtic heartlands.

England doesn't have traditional tales? Not sure where you get that from! Off the top of my head I can think of 'Earl Brand', 'Jack and The Beanstalk', 'Tom Hickathrift', 'Me A'ansel', "The Lambton Worm", 'The Laidly Worm of Bamburgh', 'The Dwarves of Simonside", "The Hedley Kow", the various 'Robin Hood' tales, 'Clym of The Clough, Adam Bell and William of Cloudsley" and many more. Yes they aren't "Celtic" but the Germanic heathen influence is obvious to anyone who doesn't get their information directly from Wikipedia or some badly written New Age Wicca* book.

England has been influenced predominantly by Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians whether British nationalists, or "wiccans" like it or not hence English having the least Celtic derived words than any Germanic language (even the Scandinavian languages have more) and our folk customs derive from Germanic heathenism, hence Strawbears/Strawbowers, Maypoles, Easter and Yuletide/Christmastide which are customs not traditionally held in the "Celtic" nations (actually Brythonic and Gaelic, who differ in many regards from each other)

Oh, and most folk killed in the witch trials were not actually "heathens" but Christians like most folk of the era. In fact much of the hysteria surrounding witches fed off folk customs (most of which are perverted forms of pre-Christian customs). This is not in support of Christianity as I am very critical of it and very much supportive of Indo-European "heathen" religions however I think all this "burning times" nonsense to be laughable, especially since they didn't burn "witches" in the England and many other parts of Europe.


*Incidentally the Old English word for a male witch (as opposed to a "wicce" the female) it was pronounced as "witcha" not "wicka" and the "craft" should never be called "wicca" but "wiccacræft" (Old English for "witchcraft") if one wishes to appropriate such terms.

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The answer to your question is that it was alot worse, at least in terms of the treatment meted out to people accused of witchcraft, the movie is inaccurate in its depiction of the torture used. Interrogations and torture were much more standardised and involved formalised stages. Torture involved thumb screws, leg irons, and the strapado and other acts of brutality, simply chaining witches to the wall and beating them is nonsense. Also, the fear of witches was real, the witch hunts were not seen as an opportunity to exploit women sexually as is depicted in the film.
You should read a document about a man in southern Germany called Augustus Junius which details his arrest, imprisonment and torture, it is indescribably brutal and desperately sad, it will haunt me forever, and I don't wish to appear melodramatic, but the above is all true. Having some understanding of what my ancestors went through makes me want to get down on my knees, light a candle and pray for them, (as if that would help!)

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bre-anna: though Torture of this type was used the most common method used was sleep deprivation.

Though this does not take away from what happened being Historically accurate means no one can accuse you of lying.

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Yes it was. Most likely worse.

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