I'm reading through all the posts on this film, and I am surprised at the Homosexual theme between Spiros and Singer. I always thought the relationship was more fraternal. My question is more toward the relationship between Singer and Mick. Didn't Mick's parents feel a little squeamish allowing Singer to befriend Mick and give her gifts? One scene in particular is when Singer comes home, he finds Mick in a robe in his room listening to classical music that he bought for her. That gave me a bad vibe or two. Or was I looking too deep into the film? Mike
I also was wondering about that. I think the parents, the mother in particular, was too preoccupied with making ends meet, her two boys, and the ailing husband, she did not spend time worrying about her daughter and the gifts she received from Mr. Singer. She was only glad to have a tenant for the room.
Occurred to me, too. Of course, parents were strangely oblivious to a lot of stuff that went on--like fact that Singer had overnight guest (drunk guy who'd been in fight) who somehow got in and out of house with no one noticing. And outside of the mother's half-hearted admonition that it was a "sin," no one seemed particularly concerned that Mick announced she was considering shoplifting some clothing dye from a dime store, either.
Parents weren't oblivious to that kind of stuff back then. And deaf mutes were looked upon as defective and dangerous (think of Spiro Antanopolous when he was at the bakery and then at the restaurant). But it was made apparent in the very last scene that Mr. Singer was considered a special person by all those who met him. He was gentleman. He was trusted. He COULD be trusted. Though [[SPOILER]] . . . . . . . . . . . . . . I was shocked he'd blow his brains out in Mick's house, for her to find him. But he was distraught...but still! Maybe there was a *right* to feel disease over him, but of course, no one didn't. Which is one of the themes. For in a way, he was invisible as black folk were at that time (the doctor being ignored in the courthouse).
P.S. I don't think there was any homoerotic relationship between Spiro and Mr. Singer. It was a bond, just like the bond between Singer and the black deaf-mute. And between him and the outcast played by Stacy Keach. It likely was more of a relationship between George and Lenny in -- as Archie Bunker called it -- "Of Mouse and Man."
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spiro and Mr. Singer were both considered handicapped in 1968 and Mr. Singer wanted to be Spiro's caretaker; you are reading into it too much; not dangerous but yes defective. I had an in-law uncle who was deaf and mute but he was neither dangerous nor considered defective. His family spoke with sign language and no one read lips but he was the kindest and sweetest man and he worked full time and fully supported his family. I don't remember if he smoked but he didn't use alcohol. I also think that the mother was too wrapped up in money, taking care of her husband and boys to be bothered with Mr. Singer and Mick. Mr. Singer was considered harmless because he couldn't talk or hear.
I so agree. And I think we're too programmed by today's movies and books--it's refreshing to see a movie with relationships other than just sexual. And we're so biased to see defection in things we don't understand--we think mentally ill people are dangerous, homosexuals are child molesters...too bad we aren't willing to put a little effort into things and learn what people are really like.
too bad we aren't willing to put a little effort into things and learn what people are really like.
I couldn't agree more. I was raised to understand what's going on with people individually, but I guess not everyone is brought up that way. Some people don't want to be bothered with understanding those who are different from them. When you think about it, it takes just as much effort, if not more, to draw the wrong conclusions and then to act on those conclusions, in what are often destructive ways.
To address the subject of the 'homosexual' nature of Singer and Spiros' relationship: I imagine that most people, including me, took a moment or two to evaluate what was going on there. Taking all things into account -- just going by the screenplay and without reading the book -- it seemed pretty platonic. All humans have a need for contact with other humans and they provided that for each other. Perhaps in time it would have turned into something more, simply out of the desire to fill the need for human contact. As we saw with Singer, he was deeply aching for something or someone to relieve the loneliness.
Since Spiros was very child-like, it's natural for him to be overly exuberant towards Singer, since Singer understood him in ways others could not and visa versa. If it had been two youngsters behaving that way towards each other, people would just think they were kids being kids without putting a sexual label on it.
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For me, Mr. Singer represented all that was decent and respectable in a world near the edge of implosion. He was simply virtuous. I don't see any but a lonely man, cut off from normal lines of communication who had one friend with whom he could communicate, and little interest in exploiting the vulnerable (Mick).
I also wondered how Singer could justify killing himself in Mick's room, while she was there. I suppose the gun was there and the pain was too much to bear any longer, so he got it over with.
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P.S. I don't think there was any homoerotic relationship between Spiro and Mr. Singer. It was a bond, just like the bond between Singer and the black deaf-mute. And between him and the outcast played by Stacy Keach. It likely was more of a relationship between George and Lenny in -- as Archie Bunker called it -- "Of Mouse and Man."
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In the film, I never got any homoerotic vibes between Singer and Spiros. Spiros is made quite childlike, so that his relationship with Singer comes off as more a caretaker with a kid than two lovers.
The book is more ambiguous on the matter. Singer's regard for Spiros borders on romantic passion there and Spiros is far less childlike in his behavior (and also way less likeable-- he doesn't even seem to care much about Singer, unlike in the film where the two are platonic buddies). I imagine the film version eliminated that ambiguity mainly due to the cultural mores of the time, even if more films around this period were willing to acknowledge or even explore same-sex relationships (The Fox from 1967 being one example).
I would say perhaps you aren't looking deeply enough, or not objectively enough. the user who said Singer is a gentleman nailed it. In addition, life as a deaf-mute has taught him not to expect much real caring from people. People are very into what he does for them, but he gets very little gratitude. Look at the scene where Blount comes to tell Singer he got a job and then runs off after canceling their chess game. Look at how Singer feels afterward. When Portia comes running to embrace her father after Singer organizes a reconciliation, Singer is left looking on, forgotten. He is 100% a giver, yet he also has human needs. His need for companionship is fulfilled only by his big-and-little brother relationship with Spiros, who does show gratitude, albeit in a very childish way. The relationship with Mick is complex. Clearly he has feelings for her. Look at what happens after she impulsively kisses his hand. Notice how he glances at his hand afterward. As a gentleman, and as a disabled man who has learned "his place," he would certainly never try anything with her, but of course he enjoys taking a pretty girl to the carnival and walking in the park with her on his arm. But he is also far too wise and sensible to fall for her. He takes it philosophically when he is displaced by a boyfriend Mick's age, and he tolerates the fact that without even realizing it and certainly not deliberately, Mick uses him as a prop in a silly game of "hard to get" with the boy. Mick does learn to care for Singer in a way, but being young, she tends to be self-centered. At the end, you get the feeling that only many years later will Mick realize what he was...
The relationship between Spiros and Singer is similar to Singer with Mick, Dr. Copeland, Jake and all the people who use him as a sounding board. Singer tells all of his thoughts to Spiros who understands none of it, but to Singer he appears wise. The people who visit Singer tell him their hopes and dreams. The book is much clearer about Singer. He "listens" to them, but never feels close to them. And in the end no one has ever thought about his feelings or that he even has any.
I agree. Singer is using Spiros in the same way the town is using Singer. When Spiros dies Singer he is left all alone. Everybody is using somebody else for their own gratification. After the death of Spiros, Singer is not interested in finding someone new.
Back in the '60s in small-medium Southern towns, parents didn't even consider the possibility of pedophiles, molesters etc. attacking their children. And I'm sure Singer put them at ease quickly with his respectful demeanor, clean cut and quiet nature. Just my experience.
The father was in a wheelchair so confined downstairs, and the mother must have been oblivious. Most mothers would have something to say about their teenage daughter being in a man's room alone with the door closed. I wasn't sure whether he was giving her presents or just sharing his music. Maybe the book explains but I was a little unclear as to why a deaf person played music.
As others have said, I think the parents were too preoccupied with their own troubles to think anything of Mick's closeness to Singer. And besides, he was respectful and gentlemanly enough.
On a slightly unrelated note, in the book, one gets the sense that Mick has a little crush on Singer, at least when he first moves into the house. I didn't really get that from the film as much.