Masterpiece


I'm a huge fan of Sergio Leone, but I think Corbucci outdoes him with this one. It's by the far the best spaghetti Western I've seen, and I think I must have seen most of them, good, bad and ugly. I like that Corbucci goes further than Leone would dare to take it, and that he was brave enough to release it with his preferred ending intact, rather than making a decision to substitute it with the far more commercially-friendly alternative ending. That's European cinema for you. I remember seeing it on Moviedrome one night about fifteen years ago, and when it ended I just sat staring at the tv screen for about five minutes, unable to believe what I'd just seen. Trintignant is a fine, fine actor and I've enjoyed him in many films but this is the role I like him best in, even though he doesn't say a word. He plays Silence with a vulnerability and with an almost childlike quality that I've rarely seen on screen. This would be high in the running for my desert-island DVD. Bloody, brutal, majestic and magnificent - a true masterpiece

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I must agree, Leone will always be the master of the anti-western genre (commonly known as Spaghetti Western). But Il Grande Silenzio is far and beyond the very best non-Leone Spaghetti ever made.

First time I saw the ending, I jumped out of my couch, my jaw dropped down the floor, mumbling something like "you got to be kidding me" about a half hundred time after the movie was over, in complete state of shock. By far the best movie ending I ever experienced.

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I agree Corbucci's westerns were much better than Leone's, Corbucci showed violence as brutal, his characters were rugged and mean, Corbucci liked his Mexican women as well!
Sam Peckinpah and corbucci were similar, also Leone was not a 'true' Italian director, but Corbucci was, as he was never noticed and after his westerns he made comdies, a bit of a come down, but Leone was still very good as well.

The Great Silence is a masterpiece!

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can't say they are MUCh better.
they're different, more gory.

Leone is best for me.

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Corbucci did this and the big gundown which im a huge fan off and i think he did another i cant recall atm, however.....NO ONE MATCHES SERGIO LEONE!!

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"Corbucci did this and the big gundown which im a huge fan off and i think he did another i cant recall atm, however.....NO ONE MATCHES SERGIO LEONE!!"

'The Big Gundown' was by Sergio Sollima... and both he and Corbucci arguably match Leone unless it is in backing as Leone had better budgets and releases. All three Sergios are great and though different in their approaches to the genre, equals. Though many non-Sergio's are great as well.

"Nothings gonna change my world!"

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This movie is good but Leone movies are the best westerns and masterpieces.
This movie is 8/10 Leone is 10/10
What is a shame is that Ennio Morricone never get an Oscar for its music

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I think Corbucci was a good director who made some decent Spaghetti westerns but Leone was the master. None of Corbucci's films compare to the work of Sergio Leone. I really like Django but I didn't really like the Great Silence that much. I do give Corbucci props for daring to give the film a downbeat ending though.

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It was brave to end it like that but I don't see the positives in terms of the story. What advantage is there in ending it how it did? I didn't care ANYWHERE NEAR enough about the characters for the ending to be tragic, I just thought "Oh... I was kind of getting into that... ah well, I won't get those two hours back."

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It was brave to end it like that but I don't see the positives in terms of the story


Well I can try to explain you why that ending makes this the most radical, if not altogether the greatest, Western ever made.

What Corbucci did with TGS is to take a much maligned, made-for-mass-consumption genre (the "Spaghetti Western", as imagined mostly by Leone), put in the fighting arena with the its most respectable counterpart (the "old" Western, as depicted by Ford above others), make them fighting each other to death and let us watch their carcasses being consumed by vultures; sorry for the outlandish metaphor there but I'll try to be more concrete.

Corbucci's Westerns are more numerous and varied in themes, consistence and quality compared to Leone but what sets them apart more is the fact that while Leone did not try to convey any political message into them, Corbucci did when the occasion arose even though, in this case, he brilliantly keeps any open political aspect implicit rather than above the surface as his (or many other's) "Mexican revolution Westerns" did, and what we got here is something that, despite respecting the conventions of the "lone gunslinger" themed movie to a strong degree, pushes the theme to an whole different level not even modern film-makers dare to touch; despite Tarantino claiming his "Django Unchained" being a straight Corbucci-derived affair, he fails to notice the fact that Corbucci would never in a million years portray bounty killers as straight-out heroes as he does (a bit cowardly I'd like to add).
Corbucci coherently believed they were nothing more than licenced murderes, absolutely false mythological figures of "justice" and undeservedly elevated to "heroes" statuses in too many pictures and writings before.
Never that counter-argument was made so brutally clear as in this movie, though others in the future became brave enough to point out this contradictory and ambiguous element of that fascinating time in American history (Eastwood's "Unforgiven" is a great example), I think Corbucci also needs to be thanked for that to a certain degree.

There simply has never been another Western, before or after, that has taken apart, thrashed to pieces and thrown in the deepest sewage the many "Fordian" myths that where estabilished regarding the "taming" of the old West. And what's more amazing is that TGS does that without even hinting at the most obvious aspect that has always been used to criticise white colonization: the treatment of native Americans (aka Indians), which is the predictable route that so many "deconstructivist" Westerns took in the following years ("Soldier Blue", "Little Big Man" or "Dance With Wolves" among many).

The two most highly celebrated Westerns made around the same time as TGS also deal with the fading of the old Western myths: Leone's own "Once Upon a Time in the West" and Peckinpah's "The Wild Bunch", both are stylistically superior to this or any other Corbucci's Westerns and both glorify, as well as condemn, the disappearance of that era.
With Corbucci there's no glory, no redemption, no hope, no positive human figure or value to hold on to: it's like staring right down the bottomless hellpit of the human condition. This can alienate a lot of critics and general filmgoers and that's why The Great Silence is not usually praised alongside those two movies, but for the few of us who really see this as the masterpiece it really is it matters little.
Whatever you think the experience is any use to you, regardless what artistic qualities you may think this movie has, I can't think of many other movies in history that dare to punch its audience right in the stomach as this does: that's something almost impossible to find considering how commercially driven the medium is, plus Corbucci doesn't do it gratuitously, not at all, and that alone is something that deserves high praise.

Never forget that this movie was "shot" round about the same time Martin Luther King and Bob Kennedy were also shot (pardon the pun), and the US was also escalating one of the most pointless and bloodiest wars in modern history.
I can't personally think of another work of art in that precise period of time that captures the darkest inner feelings that many where harbouring at the time so vividly, if not in the US, certainly throughout Europe, regarding the biggest empire of the era, even if it disguises itself as merely a "Spaghetti Western": a product of mass consumption.

What sets the ending apart is the fact that this is not a mere case of throwing away the clichè of "the good guys win in the end" because that's not at all what TGS does, quite the contrary!
If you have seen this carefully you'd have figured out that what are the "bad guys" to the viewer here are infact the "good guys" in the truth of the historical context, they are not only condoned for their massacres, but also encouraged in what they do by the "law", they will happily get away with what they did and also get paid a fortune to live a long "respectable" life.

Any parallels with the political situation of the time (or even current) perhaps or am I reading too much into this? Having seen Corbucci being interviewed at the time doesn't shake away my personal interpretation, quite the contrary, though he never makes any explicit statements on meanings.


...or else you can just see that as a non-conventional ending, ahead of the time.
Whatever suits you.

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THIS FILM IS NOT FOR CONFORMIST PEOPLE WHO GET THEIR CLOTHES FROM BANANA REPUBLIC WHO JUST WANT TO SEE THE SAME OLD HOLLYWOOD FORMULA OVER AND OVER. I won't spoil it for those of you reading this thread if you have not seen it. I am into gangster films and Westerns big time. This film is MAGIC.

If this film was made in Hollywood it would have used the alternate ending. The executives would have not allowed this to be released with the ending it has. I cant go into it to much as I would spoil it for those who have not seen it yet.

None of the characters have redeeming qualities apart from the Sheriff played by Frank Wolff. Silence who is mute is out for revenge and is as cold as the villains. Silence only retaliates if provoked. Character wise it is very on par with some of the modern gritty Gangster movies. You do not love any of them in particular. It portrays people being people in extremely harsh conditions just trying to survive. The scene where the mountain people rob the Sheriff so they can eat his horse will give you an idea of the level this film is on.

It is set in the Snowy mountains in the winter which gives the blood more of an impact visually. This film is visually realistic and is a true representation of how bleak the west was. Makes me laugh as there is a town in Birmingham, UK called Snow Hill!! I wonder if Corbucci ever visited Birmingham!! LOL (my home town by the way)

AS I HAVE SAID IF YOU LIKE ALL THE REGULAR HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER STUFF THIS FILM IS NOT FOR YOU. If you want a realistic film with a different ending then this is for you. Don't get sucked into the Leone v Corbucci arguments as it is pointless as they are both talented film makers.

The end is absolutely fabulous.

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IF YOU LIKE ALL THE REGULAR HOLLYWOOD BLOCKBUSTER STUFF THIS FILM IS NOT FOR YOU.


You should've phrased it: "If you ONLY like all the regular Hollywood blockbuster stuff this film is not for you." After all, what's wrong with liking both conventional flicks and unconventional ones? It's like enjoying different genres of rock/metal. Sometimes the hits are fine to hear while other times you want the more obscure, risk-taking stuff.

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Great western except for Loco knowing the gun was in the snow, he wasn't with the sheriff when it was frozen and couldn't be used. Should have been frozen for Loco as well.

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