i have never actually seen this show, but i found myself wondering, is this a spinoff of the 1947 Gene Tierney Rex Harrison Film of the same name? or is it wimply coincidence... and by the way if you have not seen the film, i recommend it. a classic.
shareIt was most definitely transition of the book/movie to a TV show -- and my favorite all time show.
I became acquainted with GAMM in reverse order. I watched the show prime time in 1968-1970, then was home sick one day when the movie was playing and then finally read the book about a year after that.
Of the three, my favorite is the TV series!
The show had Charles Nelson Reilly... which made it superior to the film!
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This is true -- he was hysterical... but also in his own way quite loveable.
But I tuned in to see Edward... Sigh.
I've seen episodes of the TV series before (though awhile ago) and I've seen the movie once, and I agree that both are good.
Just a thought, but if the Captain Gregg from the movie and the Captain Gregg from the TV show are supposed to be the same ghost, then what happened to the first Mrs. Muir? The one from the film who lived in Captain Gregg's seaside mansion from approximately 1900-1947? Wouldn't her ghost be haunting the manse too, or did she go on to her first husband, in heaven?
They aren't the same ghost.
The movie was based on the book.
The TV show was an update from the novel/movie.
So the big difference is Captain Gregg in the movie had been dead only four years when Lucy Muir moved in.
Captain Gregg in the TV show haunted his house for a hundred years before Carolyn Muir came to live there.
Oh okay, I've always wondered about that when I saw both versions. (THen of course wondered, if the Capt. Gregg ghosts were the same, which they could've been since ghosts don't age no matter when they died...lol, whatever happened to the first Mrs. Muir, even if she died years before.) THanks for clearing it up!
BTW it looks like Disney was inspired by GAMM about 15 yrs ago, for an episode of their animated series 'Talespin.'
Check it out here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCqYp7je_jM
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Yup --
Lucy and Daniel were reunited in death, and I personally think, ascended to heaven together.
The TV show, sadly, was cancelled after two seasons :( and survives through quite a lot of good fan fiction, some of which I write!
I loved the TV show. It was first broadcast when I was 11 and I fell in love with it, and the Captain. After all these years, it is still my favorite show. The only ones that ever came close were Here Come the Brides and Ellery Queen.
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That's the way the movie ends. AND the book!
She dies, he comes to her, she is young again, he pulls her up out of the chair. In the movie, they don't say anything, just look at each other, she sees Martha, who of course doesn't see her, and they walk out the door, arm in arm, happily, into the fog, and one might infer, eternity/heaven, take your pick.
In the book, she starts to leave with him, (natural thing) turns around, looks at the body of little old Lucy in the chair, says "Who is she? Who is that old woman?
He answers, "Look again Lucia," she realizes that the body is wearing her dress, her watch and wedding ring.
Then she says, "I don't feel like that, so little and frail. I feel wonderful and oh, so happy..."
Then he says, "Ah , Lucia, now we are together, as we were meant to be."
Then they walk out the door, again, into the fog, and one may infer, eternity.
The book has one more line about how the clock continued to tick, and the eyes of the lifeless body of Lucy Muir stared at the painting of Captain Gregg's portrait on the wall.
I think the end of YOUR movie got cut! And if you haven't read the book, I highly recommend it.
And by the way -- I would never confuse or combine MY writing, with anything related to the show, or movie.
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Apology accepted...
I did find the fan fic remark particularly interesting as I learned a while back that there IS a term called "fanon" which only means that a ff reference or a name has been used so often (even though it was invented) that ff writers keep using said-reference over and over again, even if it was never exactly mentioned in the show (usually,) and it becomes almost like canon.
Best example is Daniel Gregg's name.
In both the movie and book, his name was given as only Captain Daniel Gregg. Way back when, circa 1999, (I think) a GAMM fan fic writer needed middle names for him because they had Carolyn (as she was named in the tv show) reading his tombstone, and they used the full name of Daniel Elias Alexander Gregg. Elias, I believe was a relative of Daniel's mentioned in the show, but I don't know where Alexander came from. Anyway, a lot of other fan-fic writers have adopted it to the point that half the time I forget his middle names aren't canon, and you can use anything you want!
There are a few others... and sometimes, admittedly, I do have to sit back and think about it for a minute... and there is also the issue of fan fic writers having to think up reasons for professional paid writer's errors on the show... one example being that while Lucy's husband was named Edmund in the book and movie, they renamed him for the TV show - problem is they gave him two different names! An ex-boyfriend of Carolyn calls her late husband Richard, but a few shows later her visiting ex-in-laws called her late husband Bobby, which of course is short for Robert.
Sometimes I think fan fic writers are much more careful with their details that the writers for the show were!
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Some shows are loaded with continuity errors, others -- well, less so. GAMM was only on the air for two years, but the Ghost and Mrs. Muir loop I belong to had gone through the eps with a fine tooth comb, and we still haven't found all of them. The show only ran two years, but really, the writers weren't paying attention. They just wrote what was good for the episode.
The timeline of Daniel Gregg's life is way off -- if you use one hint, it makes him 40 when he died. Fine, but in another episode it has him arguing a case in court as a civillian, and using the other episode as a timeline, he would be twelve years old.
In another episode there is a picture that was taken of Gregg when he was still alive, right after the battle of Vera Cruz. Thing is they used a current picture of the actor, instead of one at the age he would have been at the time of the battle -- approximately age 20.
In another, Carolyn Muir has a wedding dress she lets an eloping woman borrow, but in the last show of the series, her visiting parents say she eloped.
Still, in all most of them can be worked around... unlike the history of the MASH characters that changed from season to season... or poor Chuck in Happy Days (Richie's older brother) who simply disappeared... and if you REALLY want continuity problems (not just logic issues) look at Gilligan's Island!
'In another, Carolyn Muir has a wedding dress she lets an eloping woman borrow, but in the last show of the series, her visiting parents say she eloped.'
That one can be explained away. Many women when they elope still manage to obtain a wedding dress. They're not exactly hard to come by.
Which is exactly what most fan fic writers do when they write fanfic for the series.
But it was still a continuity error.
'I don't recall that from the film -- and I know it didn't come from the TV series. Did the book end that way?'
Film and book ending.
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'They aren't the same ghost.'
They're both the ghost of Captain Daniel Gregg. It's just Alternate reality Captain Gregg. By that I mean the English setting is now New England and late Victorian era is now late sixties.
Same character but different continuity.
The original film was speaking to, and on behalf of, 1000s of war widows in 1947 seeking their own answer to the question, what now? The plot device of a ghost, who poses the difficult, deeply personal questions to the widow, slightly ill at ease with the lack of depth in her grieving would not have had the same dramatic impact 20 years later. While the film took us and the characters to a number of emotional crossroads, sadly, I remember the TV series as merely being a charming sitcom.
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