Thoughts on plot hole


I feel like I'm missing something. When I watched this film, I thought why not just lock the door myself. When you think about it tho, Susie didn't lock the door at first when she was just starting to peice it all together because she didn't want to alarm the "cons". If she would have locked it right away they would of just figuered she knew what they were up to and stop being friendly. The movie made it clear that they weren't leaving without that doll, so locking the door early would have just made then panic and become violent with her, like the guy at the end wanted to all along as is made clear to me when he killed Sam and began to threaten Susie until she says she'll give up the doll he states " I thought that would speed things up" he also states something to the effect that he was playing nice because it was Sam and the other guys Plan to do so not his. If she locked the door to early the ending would have immediately followed. The man with glasses would of just been like enough with this *beep* I'm going in. She was playing the game and didn't want them to know she was getting wise to them. Another point to this theory is that once she sent Sam to the studio for the doll she locked the door and broke all the lights. Because now she knew once they got there and was no doll, they'd know she was on to them, they'd come back and want answers and she doesn't know how far they'll go to get them. Thus she puts a defense plan in action.

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You missed plenty. For starters, Sam was Susy's HUSBAND, who was absent for most of the film; the character you refer to as Sam, killed by Roat just before the climactic showdown, was Mike Talman, who talked his way into Susy's apartment by claiming to be an old buddy of Sam's from the Marine Corps.

As to the door, Susy does lock it once; at the moment I cannot recall at what point she does this, but Mike almost immediately afterwards silently jimmies the latch with a piece of plastic while Susy is out of earshot. And while she is suspicious of both Roat and Carlino by about the midpoint of the film, her trust in Mike remains a lot longer until she gets Gloria's telephone signal and realizes that Mike has just called her, not from his hotel, but from the phone booth across the street. This is VERY late in the proceedings and it is only then that the true danger of her situation becomes clear to Susy. And by then it is too late to escape; Roat has already killed Carlino, and after he kills Mike, he secures the door with a chain attached to the bannister of the entrance stairs, trapping her in the apartment with no weapons left but her wits and a box of matches.

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I didn't miss that in the plot just got the names wrong when writing.
You said I got plenty wrong....then went on to rant about what I just got done ranting about.
I said all that same stuff about locking the door, him breaking the lock and her realizing that she was in true danger late in the film. Seems like you just read to where I got the names wrong and said.....I got plenty wrong? Then proceeded to say the same thing, that must mean saying it twice makes it right.

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What happened was that Carlino slipped a piece of plastic over the bolt, or rigged it some other way-- he might have even removed it, or removed the spring; it was an old bolt, the kind that was put on interior doors that originally had no door knob key, when brownstones were turned into apartments in New York. Now all those doors would have deadbolts, at the very least, and maybe even metal doors. But they didn't in 1967. Only the exterior door had a deadbolt.

The lock on the apartment door isn't a deadbolt (which is by definition, a bolt without a spring). The bolt has a spring, and will lock when the door closes, if a button has been pushed, or slid to one side. If it is set to lock, you have to turn a knob to open it from the inside, or use a key from the outside. With this kind of lock, you don't need to re-lock it every time the door closes; if you leave the button set, it stays in “lock” mode. You would need to let someone in, when it's locked, but not lock the door behind them, and you would need a key to get in, but the door would lock again when you shut it. This is probably a reason the locks aren't seen much anymore. It was easy to forget you had it set on "lock," and lock yourself out. So, if Susy thinks it's set on “lock,” she doesn't think she needs to go to the door and lock it behind everyone.

She did, in fact, lock it, but unfortunately off-screen (probably when she and Mike were looking for the doll), she thinks it's done, and she doesn't need to follow everyone to the door. But I think "follow everyone to the door" is what Ebert means when he says "Why doesn't she lock the door?" Since you don’t see this type of lock much now, I understand current audiences thinking Susy is being dense, but Roger Ebert wrote the "Susy is stupid" review right after the film came out. Maybe it Ebert himself had never seen this kind of lock. He may have never lived in a subdivided building, and somehow, never managed to pay attention to how the lock worked when he visited friends, but it seems to me that he was the one being dense. Yes, the “lock” sequence is sort of hard to follow, but he is a professional reviewer.

Early in the film, the lock is set to open, because it is open when Mike visits Susy the first time, and when Gloria comes for the grocery money-- it's probably open for Gloria, although she has a key.

It's locked later, after Roat, sr. has come in, and probably as a result of that. We know this, because Gloria needs to use her key, and Carlino finds it locked when he comes the second time, by himself. He has to wait for Susy to let him in. It's AFTER this incident, when he realizes that they do sometimes lock the door, that Carlino rigs it.

I think the problem everything isn't clear is the editor's, not the writer's, and not Audrey Hepburn's.

The first time after she has set the bolt to "lock" that Mike saunters in, Hepburn looks surprised, because she knows she locked it, but it's the same time she's trying to cover up the fact that she has been trying to call the police, and not let Mike know she has figured out he is involved in Roat's plot. It's a lot to ask for her to add an extra layer of shock that the door wasn't locked, as it should have been, so even though the camera has caught Carlino rigging the bolt, I think a lot of audience members don't quite catch what just happened. The problem is that we never actually see Susy deliberately setting the bolt. We just know she did, because Gloria needs a key, and Carlino has to be let it, so she must have locked it. We need an actual shot, a close-up, of Susy locking the door, and a little gloat, or something, from Richard Crenna, when he comes in. And possibly something passing between Mike and Carlino, communicating that the door has been "done." I don't remember whether there's an opportunity for that or not, though.

We do see Susy check the lock once, when she runs upstairs with the doll. It's the same moment she realizes that Carlino is also in on the plot to get the doll. It's possible to misinterpret is as Susy about to run outside, then changing her mind, when she realizes the police can't help her (she isn't wearing a coat in the winter, but that's a lot to ask an audience to think through).

At any rate, Ebert is the guru of film opinions, so now "Susy is stupid," and the question of the lock is out there, and reeling it in is pretty much impossible.

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