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How does this compare to the Leone/Eastwood films?

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There is no comparison. Leone movies are so much better.

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I think most people will agree that the Leone films are much superior to this one. Nevertheless, i quite enjoyed Hang Em High and own it on DVD. Eastwood gives a worthy performance as Jed Cooper and his dilema between his own style of justice and the law kept me entertained from start to finish.

There are a couple of problems with it though. There is a very rushed and half baked romantic subplot with Inger Stevens which just felt really unecessary. It drags in a couple of sections but the majority of the time it is fairly well paced.

Overall though, i enjoyed it and give it an 8/10. Don't go in expecting something amazing like The Good, The Bad and The Ugly or Unforgiven. It has the feel of a John Wayne western, so if you're in the mood for one of those, you'll probably enjoy this.

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I don't think that the romantic plot between Eastwood and Stevens is unecessary. After their picnic and the following night, which they spent together, she gave up on the "ghosts", which haunted her for years. She begged then Eastwood to give up on his revenge plans. But Eastwood cannot forgive. A good example of the picture or cliche that forgiveness seems to be a weakness for men, women can do that, it's tolerable. Not a smart approach from the director and writer in my opinion. Eastwood, in a Sopranos way to say it, is the old fifties-character: the strong silent type.

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Leone's were far superior in their production. Hang em High was the first of Eastwood's American Westerns and it is so obvious in the way the film goes for looks over realism and authenticity. Leone's characters (both the main characters and the extras) were usually grubby, filthy, covered in dirt and wore shabby, soiled clothing. In Hang em High there was hardly any of that. Even if the law men and officials were clean, the 'public' shouldn't have been so made up too - and some of them were wearing jeans (clean ones at that)!

Anyway, despite that, I thought the film as a whole was okay, it was directed well, especially the opening scenes of the lynching but I would have like to have seen more cheating, stinking, filthy good-for-nothings instead of the neat and tidy (except the villains of course!) depictions we had.

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While it was definitely made in the hollywood tradition, it still involved a bit of the grayscale morality that Clint Eastwood likes a lot. You won't see a Clint Eastwood film with good versus evil, he seems to be like me in that he doesn't really believe in it.

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I think this was half like a Leone westrn and half like a american. That being said, i enjoy this movie, and own a copy of it.

Eastwoods is actually pretty clean in Leone's westerns. it's just Tuco in TGTBATU who's a bot dirty.

In this he does have a bog scar across his neck as well.

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While it was definitely made in the hollywood tradition, it still involved a bit of the grayscale morality that Clint Eastwood likes a lot. You won't see a Clint Eastwood film with good versus evil, he seems to be like me in that he doesn't really believe in it.


Exactly.

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Leone's were far superior in their production. Hang em High was the first of Eastwood's American Westerns and it is so obvious in the way the film goes for looks over realism and authenticity. Leone's characters (both the main characters and the extras) were usually grubby, filthy, covered in dirt and wore shabby, soiled clothing. In Hang em High there was hardly any of that. Even if the law men and officials were clean, the 'public' shouldn't have been so made up too - and some of them were wearing jeans (clean ones at that)!


I actually think that there's quite a bit of dirt and grime in Hang 'em High. The problem is that instead of appearing fully organic, as in the Leone films, it looks more like a typical Hollywood production (particularly of the TV Western variety) that sprinked itself in dirt in a better effort to emulate the Italian sensibility.

Hang 'em High lacks the visual naturalism and visceral power of Leone's Westerns or Eastwood's future Westerns, and the narrative is plot-heavy, talky, and meandering in places. On the other hand, the movie is also more character-driven than the Leone films, and it's thematically intelligent, complex, and subversive while still delivering action and emotion. See my post here:

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0061747/board/thread/14525979?d=latest&t=20060629102232#latest

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if you had no prior knowledge of this movie, i'd swear you think this movie was from the 1950's due to its style and quality.

you'd be shocked this movie came out in 1968, the same year "coogan's bluff" came out and just 3 years before "dirty harry" came out.

also, this movie doesn't rely on thrilling gun battles like the leone trilogy does. i think jed cooper only shoots one guy, and that's near the beginning of the movie. rather, it relies on suspense and a good, thought-provoking story.

the poor quality and lack of shooting is probably what turns most fans of the leone trilogy away from this one.


I understand what you're saying, cougar, but there are some qualities that distinguish Hang 'em High as a Western from the late 1960s as opposed to an earlier era. First, there's the gritty tone and sometimes grubby appearance. Second, the violence level is much higher than that of a 1950s Western. In fact, when Hang 'em High hit theaters in August 1968, Time magazine labeled it "the year's grisliest movie," and both Time and The Los Angeles Times contexutalized the film in terms of the year's social violence, particularly the assassinations of Martin Luther King, Jr. and Robert Kennedy. Although it may be tame by today's standards, back in 1968, a few critics deemed the film excessively or distastefully violent and yet another sign of the increasingly and disturbingly bloody times. In fact, some critics believed that Hang 'em High was a spaghetti Western in disguise (in part because of Eastwood's presence and his recent run in spaghetti Westerns). Dominic Frontiere's score takes on Ennio Morricone-type tones at various points, and director Ted Post's extensive (and effective) use of dramatic zooms is a technique that dominated late 1960s filmmaking, but not the 1950s. As for Jed Cooper, he shoots a couple more miscreants late in the film during the "haunted house" sequence. For all these reasons, Hang 'em High emerges as a product of the late 1960s, and audiences embraced it readily. In fact, Eastwood's first American Western actually returned $666,000 more in domestic theatrical rentals to United Artists than did The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.

http://www.boxofficereport.com/database/1967.shtml

http://www.boxofficereport.com/database/1968.shtml

Is is true, of course, that Hang 'em High lacks the visual naturalism of the Leone movies or the revisionist Westerns that would be directed by Sam Peckinpah, George Roy Hill, Arthur Penn, Robert Altman, and Clint Eastwood (and even Don Siegel, Robert Aldrich, Mark Rydell, and John Sturges) in the coming few years. However, those films represented the top of the genre's line during the late 1960s and 1970s. There are many other Westerns from that era that share Hang 'em High's somewhat artificial appearance. Indeed, rather than the 1950s, I think that it would be more appropriate to say that Hang 'em High featured a television sensibility. In other words, in addition to the Leone influence, the film owes its existence to the television series Westerns that remained popular through the early 1970s. That, of course, should be unsurprising given that both producer/writer Leonard Freeman and director Ted Post had their roots in TV. Remember, too, that the late 1960s featured a certain schism in American popular culture, with the influence of the old and the new both being felt. In effect, Hang 'em High straddles the fence, with one foot in the violent Leone universe and the other in tacky yet tidy American television.

So in summation, I do think that Hang 'em High is representative of 1968, and a resort to the film's reviews will prove that. However, it is also true that the movie reflects a television influence and thus lacks the newfangled hipness that marked the Leone Westerns and Coogan's Bluff (Don Siegel, 1968). Indeed, Siegel helped Eastwood find the dynamically raw physical and psychological landscape that he needed in American cinema.

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it's better than "a fistful of dollars," on par with "the good, the bad, and the ugly," but not as awesome as "for a few dollars more"

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On a par with the good, the bad and the ugly. No way! thats one of the greatest westerns of all time, actually one the best movies of any genre. Hang em High is enjoyable enough but is disappointing for an Eastwood Western. His first great American Western has got to be High Plains Drifter.

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HANG 'EM HIGH was always one of my Dad's favorite Eastwood films!



As far as the quality of the finished product... hey, it's 100 TIMES BETTER than BENEATH THE PLANET OF THE APES (also directed-- perhaps against his will-- by Ted post).

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